In the past week, the coaching staff at Penn State has been turned over to a degree never before seen at the school. Now that the dust has finally settled, we're going to take a look at all the new members of Bill O'Brien's coaching staff. Continuing on today, we direct our attention towards the new defensive coordinator, Ted Roof.
Experience
For our purposes, the relevant portion of Roof's coaching career began at Georgia Tech in 1998 as linebackers coach. He was promoted to defensive coordinator one year later, and served as coordinator in Atlanta for three seasons before going to Duke in 2002 as defensive coordinator. He became the head coach one season later, and in 4+ seasons compiled a record of 6-45. Included in those 45 losses were 22 in a row. To be fair, losing and losing badly at Duke is not a problem specific to Roof.
After his dismissal from Duke, Roof went on to Minnesota as defensive coordinator. In 2007, the season before Roof arrived in the Twin Cities, the Gophers were last (119th) in Division I-A in total defense and 109th in scoring defense. In 2008, Minnesota jumped to 81st in total defense and 61st in scoring defense. Those numbers still aren't great, but any time a team jumps 40+ spots like that, clearly somebody was doing something right. The Gophers were also 23rd in both sacks and tackles for a loss.
In 2009, Roof left Minnesota to become the defensive coordinator at Auburn. I'll allow the numbers to tell the story (The numbers in parentheses indicate national rank):
| Year | Total Def. | Rush Def. | Pass Def. | Scoring Def. | Sacks | TFL |
| 2009 | 374.4 yds/gm (68) | 156.4 yds/gm (78) | 218 yds/gm (58) | 27.5 (76) | 28 (40) | 77 (45) |
| 2010 | 368.4 yds/gm (60) | 109.1 yds/gm (9) | 259.3 yds/gm (108) | 24.1 (53) | 35 (13) | 99 (6) |
| 2011 | 408 yds/gm (80) | 189.2 yds/gm (94) | 218.8 yds/gm (51) | 28.9 (78) | 22 (75) | 74 (56) |
Needless to say, most of those aren't numbers Penn State fans are used to seeing, or would like to see.
Scheme/Philosophy
Roof's defenses play out of a base 4-3, so there won't be much adjustment there, personnel-wise. The big adjustment will be in coverage, as we'll be seeing a mix of man coverage, Cover Two, and Cover Two man. The scheme will allow defensive backs to be in position to force turnovers and make plays more often, but will leave them more open to allowing a big play. With the corners more exposed, the defense will become even more dependent on the front seven getting pressure.
Consider all that, and then consider that defensive back will be by far the thinnest defensive position group next season. Fingers crossed that Armani Reeves still comes to Penn State.
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Roof looks like a combination...
…of the evil coach and Henry Winkler’s assistant coach in The Waterboy.
LowcountryLion - January 17, 2012
only in this photo, otherwise he looks exactly like Graham Spanier
exactly
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
... without the musical washboard
jrm412 - January 17, 2012
Don't tempt him.
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
Farmer Fran
Get him some overalls. #!%$#&(^#)(@&^R)(# huh huh huh!
pic15 - January 17, 2012
bbpennstate10 - January 17, 2012
This is how we will send in our defensive plays
Might be an upgrade from how we used to send on our offensive plays
bbpennstate10 - January 17, 2012
ew
letsgopsu - January 17, 2012
That's so wrong.
CvilleLion - January 17, 2012
PSU is about to get roofied
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
I forgot to mention Roof's brief tenure at UCF in the article
But I’ve just been notified via twitter that that was the 2nd time in Roof’s career he took a job at a school before leaving without coaching a single game. He was Louisville’s co-defensive coordinator in 07/08 for about a week before leaving for Minnesota.
So there’s that.
Peter Gray - January 17, 2012
I'm not liking this pattern from Roof.
Of course, if the defense regresses under him, maybe I will like this pattern.
icavalera - January 17, 2012
sounds like
a man in great demand (putting positive spin / hope / blinders on)
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
I really don't like much about this hire at all
except that he has a MNC ring, I guess. The rest is really, blah.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
"Blah" is a good way to describe it.
icavalera - January 17, 2012
Yep
The best part of his tenure at Auburn was catching the Nick Fairley lightning in a bottle. For that one year, Fairley was one of the most disruptive college DTs I’ve ever seen. And even then, the secondary was still a big mess of faceguarding and missed tackles.
Peter Gray - January 17, 2012
Pete I get that you are delighted with this hire.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
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Peter Gray - January 17, 2012
LOL
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
My employees want to know what's so damn funny. See: This.
nittanylines - January 17, 2012
you're turning green!
tlrpsu - January 17, 2012
So Peter Gray is the Incredible Hulk?
rahpsu92 - January 17, 2012
i think. hes turning into the hulk and his comment is green.
i thought it was clever.
tlrpsu - January 17, 2012
You thought
Right. Two thumbs up.
rahpsu92 - January 17, 2012
cant... breathe...
The Heel - January 18, 2012
If anything...
It will be sort of nice to go into a bowl game (god, please, let us get into a bowl game), be up against a good-to-very-good QB, and not just know that we’re going to get torched for 250+ yards and several passing td’s.
That said, it will suck to lose a game to Purdue because instead of playing safe we blitz a corner and let up a big play.
Meh. I put my faith in Vandy and LJ to handle their units and ensure that fundamentals are good and there are athletes on the squad.
SkellerDweller06 - January 17, 2012
How on earth
do you know that with Roof? His pass defenses were awful. His average game at Auburn, with above-average SEC talent, was almost 250+ yards.
M1EK - January 17, 2012
No joke,
maybe SkellDwell meant because we are going to get torched for 400 passing yards? And some multiple of several passing TDs?
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
This.
SkellerDweller06 - January 17, 2012
If it goes awry in a big game..
The difference is a guy like Case Keenum would have had 6 TDS on top of 500 yards.
Infuriating as hell, but BBDS does a good job of minimizing TDS and keeps the score within reach.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
And also this.
BBDS works well in the current B1G. Not so well against other conferences.
SkellerDweller06 - January 17, 2012
Look at Keenum's stat line..
if you saw those numbers without the box score, you would have sworn he put up 7-8 TDS.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
Holding them to 30 points
is a testament to the BBDB defense.
jman07 - January 17, 2012
This
(and, same to Artie’s post above)
Cari Greene - January 17, 2012
The breakdown against Houston was entirely matchup specific.
In the first quarter he completed almost all of his passes when he got Willis matched up one on one. Two TDs came that way. In the second quarter Astorino got into a one on one and fell over. TD. The rest of the game? What? Nine points?
Now imagine if those guys had to go one on one the entire game and not just when Houston ran plays to get them in that position.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
Please let me live in one fantasy world without the constant questioning, M1EK...
Haha, I kid. We have no idea. He could totally blow chunks and we could go from a top 5 defense to a bottom 5 in a year, and then put names on the back of the jerseys and paint the field white and change the name of Beaver Stadium to Berk’s Hot Dog’s Field at Pepsi Stadium.
I guess my point is that the base cover 3 zone had a known weakness, and we were going to get exploited by an accurate passer every time. Now there’s a shot that we could man up and be able to handle intermediate routes. It’s not a given that we’ll give up the underneath every single time.
SkellerDweller06 - January 17, 2012
*Intentionally give up the underneath
From his numbers, we may not be able to stop anything. I think that Vandy and LJ will do a good job of making up for any shortfall.
Still a less than exciting hire, I agree.
SkellerDweller06 - January 17, 2012
Then PSU shelves the natural grass field
and instead covers it with the disgusting Berek’s hotdogs that go unsold at the concessions.
rahpsu92 - January 17, 2012
if they gave us all somewhere to eat the hot dogs except the concrete floor (chairs tables, eating areas anyone)
then maybe we’d be more willing to scarf down 3 or 4 without having to juggle gloves, drinks, etc as we stand and eat or squeeze into the tiny 15 inches of space we have in the stands
also being from berks county, gotta support the hot dog
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
I'll give up the underneath
every single time if it prevents the 80 yard TD. I’d much rather give them 5-8 yards a chunk and make them complete 7 passes a drive than give them 2 completions for 70 yards.
jman07 - January 17, 2012
Some people are just never happy with what they have
because what someone else has is always better.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
So true
BUT THEY BLITZ!!! THEY MUST BE BETTER!
jman07 - January 17, 2012
Ha ha
not that learning some new tricks is a bad thing, but I just don’t discount things that are old just because they are old.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
You and me both
Honestly, we could blitz 75% of the time, as long as it works, awesome. We can sit in a soft zone all the time, as long as it works, who cares?
jman07 - January 17, 2012
Winning
is beautiful. However it is done, schematically, is fine with me.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
Although I would prefer not to use the pistol formation
and coaches with visors. OH wait, and I do hate looking over to the sideline right before each snap. I guess I should say winning is fine with me even if it is ugly, run for 3.5 yards every play.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
me too
it looks like a snotty kid asking his parents permission for something
looking over to the sidelines I mean
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
And please, NEVER THIS.
CvilleLion - January 17, 2012
Are those real (i.e., not like the Craig James/SMU cards)?
If so, I would love to know what the shark and the King have to do with anything.
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
Doubtless they indicate Awesome Plays.
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
Probably just a uniform change coming at the next tv timeout.
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
Sorry, Kijana -- not sure if it's real or fake.
CvilleLion - January 17, 2012
Let's just agree on real
Burger King – Louisiana – destroyer – Glycerine = fullback dive.
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
You people have sucked me in
I saw the post w/ the pictures then the mention of Craig James below. All I could think was the King represented CJ killing the hookers and then he got on a ship in Louisiana and fed them to the shark.
wonderlin - January 18, 2012
to be fair i dont think he hired Roof because he wants the defense
to go in a different direction. To the contrary I believe he kept LJ and Vanderlinden on because the defense was a strong point and always has been and wants to maintain continuity.
I think he hired Roof because Roof once hired him, and he was looking for a job. Plain and simple.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
this^
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
that's not necessarily a good thing
I mean, yes, loyalty can be good, but we’ve seen the effects of too much loyalty. Hopefully he won’t stay if he’s teh suck, and they won’t blame a subpar (for PSU) defense on LJ & Vandy
Cari Greene - January 17, 2012
Do. Not. Like. This.
We talk all about Jay only having a job here because of Joe but the only reason Roof has this job is probably due to BOB feeling some sense of loyalty to him. Terrible hire and I am not looking forward to defensive regression. I can only hope that LJ and Vandy can cover for him. Blah.
jman07 - January 17, 2012
I think "Blah" is probably an understatement.
He hasn’t been good anywhere he’s coached.
rodney20 - January 17, 2012
icavalera - January 17, 2012
Ok, seriously,
what OSU fans showed up and have been giving this hire an “A”.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
Interesting video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6dt9_KI0E
Weird having a Texas guy like McWhorter on the staff
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
We don't know what we don't know
There are so many things that go into whether a defense is successful or not. It’s not just the coordinator. I don’t put much stock in the Auburn stats either way.
Let’s just see how it goes here before judging.
reedjohnmiller - January 17, 2012
On the bright side...
It was Auburn’s defense that won the game against Oregon for the MNC.
However, I really don’t understand why BOB thinks it’s a good idea to hire a bunch of dudes he knows from friggin’ Duke and Ga Tech to run PSU’s program. That is crap. Seriously. Duke? Ga Tech?
rodney20 - January 17, 2012
Because he knows them and trust them
Who do you expect him to bring in. He is only going to keep people that he knows and trusts. he kept the 2 best parts of the old coaching staff and went out and go people he had know or trusted.
jetskijoe - January 17, 2012
Pipe down Hot Rod
He’s guys from Texas, The Bills, and the Titans. Guys that are older and more experienced than him, and guys who are much younger and less experienced.
He’s putting together a puzzle with the pieces he thinks will fit. We’ll find out in due time if they do.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
What annoys me
Is the empty rhetoric of a more “agressive” defensive scheme with “multiple looks” that new coaches use to try to stir up excitment. I don’t care if you blitz every play or play soft zone every play, just make it work.
As far as Auburn, isn’t there some talk that Chizik had Roof didn’t see eye-to-eye in terms of scheme, etc. which led to confusion on defense? Who knows.
All I know is we have LJ and Vandy and those guys have produced the most All-Americans, NFL players, etc. of anyone on our staff in recent years.
speedomike - January 17, 2012
I think highlighting the problems at Auburn
(supposedly Chizik made him run a scheme that was a soft zone- and Roof didn’t like it- which led to his departure), shows why LJ/Vandy don’t quiet my fear much. We have a not so great Roof history. LJ/Vandy can coach them to be the best units in the country, if Roof has them totally out of position or racing upfield it isn’t going to make much of a difference.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
Also, re: Auburn's defense.
They basically shut out OMGALABAMA, in Tuscaloosa for an entire half to mount a comeback.
That’s impressive shit.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
All I know..
Is that Roof’s defense held Oregon under 20 points in the title game. Nick Fairley or not, that’s a damn good performance.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
The problem is that one game a season does not make
Nittany_Ryan - January 17, 2012
It was the most important game of the season.
It mattered.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
So does Oregon's bowl game
and first (meaningful) game of the season. And their offense has not performed well in either circumstance by and large. It’s just not that impressive when compared with an entire season of fail.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
That defense...
was generally very good in the 2nd half of games.
Esteban d' Amur - January 17, 2012
I love being in the position to debate
whether a guy’s national championship winning defense was good or not. Nice place to be in.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
And it only costs $180,000.00!!!!
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
The phrase “National Championship Winning Defense” is seriously misleading in this instance.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
no it absolutely is not
he coached a defense that won a national championship.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
Yes, it is.
In this context, te phrase implies that the defense was the reason they one said championship…it most certainly was not.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Won, not one.
Ugh.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
It was a very large...
part of the reason they beat Oregon.
Esteban d' Amur - January 17, 2012
What...didn't you know?
Cam Newton played defense too!!!!!!!!!!
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
And almost none of the reason they got there.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Except for the second half of the Bama game
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
I love the "well, they held them to xx points in the 2nd half" argument
If you surrender 30 in the first half, I’m really not going to congratulate you for not surrendering any more points…you still gave up 30, and unless you have an offense that can make up for your defensive short comings, you’re going to lose.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
So
Penn State’s defense this year was teh suck
pmm156 - January 17, 2012
Huh?
How so?
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Not the point being made.
They were 5th in the country in points against. Data like that you don’t have to sort through and try to find reasons they are good such as “They gave up no points in the second half against a good team.”
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
Seriously
the only thing going for Ted Roof is the fact that maybe Chizik limited him at Auburn and forced him to do something that didn’t work with his system. And the made Minny not suck as bad. Thats really it. There’s not a whole lot of other ways to skin this cat. Maybe he does do better at PSU, but that would be a result contradictory to the information we’ve gained so far.
skarocksoi - January 17, 2012
Right,
not EVERY move has to be good just because it’s our school. Maybe he will outperform his previous record, but it is not offensive to our school to be suspicious that he will not.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
you guys fail to realize
or you just assume that the people who dont immediately condemn this hire all believe that its a slam dunk, great hire. I dont think alot of us are saying that
I think most of us are saying its not the worst thing in the world, its not the best either, lets wait and see.
He has done enough in the past for me to think he wont be bad as he has to make me think he will. The assumption that we (who believe as I do) all think its great hire just because we dont fly off the handle about his Auburn years is just wrong though
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
I don't think I said or assumed that.
I’m coming from an admittedly biased perspective and the only thing that will change my mind that this isn’t a dumpster fire is on field performance.
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
ha i wasnt talking about you paige
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
I'm just taking everything personally today!
Welcome to my shitty world!
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
:(
and a <3 for you
Cari Greene - January 17, 2012
It's not just about the Auburn years,
it’s about the last 10, and it’s about the majority of his career. You are trying to paint it in too positive a light, in my opinion, by saying he only had bad years at Auburn. It’s about the totality of his career at the top level (coordinator/HC). I believe his total body of work indicates that he is not very good.
Any nobody expects everyone to fly off the handle, but people are calling specific performances “damn good”, and calling it a “championship winning” defense. Qualify that after the fact all you win, they characterize it as a hire you are happy about.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
well it did win a championship
so it is championship winning. I didnt say it was the best defense in the league. But it won a championship.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
Don't agree.
“a guy’s national championship winning defense” implies some level of confidence. It distracts and overstates the ability. I could say “Cody Mandell’s national championship winning punting”, but I wouldn’t. It’s misleading from the fact that he was in the bottom 25% of punters in the nation (90th). The same can be said about “I didn’t say it was the best in the league.” Again, it implies some level of competence that didn’t necessarily exist.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
Halftime adjustments matter
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
Yes.
See Penn State most of this year! But without Cam Newton, that Auburn team wouldn’t have come back time and time again to pull out the W.
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Capital investments matter as well
I would never argue otherwise.
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
How did I know
You were going to say something like that?!
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
I'm nothing if not consistent.
You may disagree with my conclusion, but I at least tried to be creative in how I mentioned that Cam was bought and paid for.
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
I just LOL'd!
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Halftime adjustments don't matter...
If you’re leaking like a sieve in the first half.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
no it absolutely is not
my context implies that they won a national championship with that defense.
Unless all those defensive players dont get credit for the championship, you are right. Very few teams with bad defenses go undefeated. even less win their conference. and even fewer hold the #1 offense in the country that year, the only team that scored over 600 points, to less than 20.
In that context that defense won a national championship.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
does that mean we have to give Matt McGloin and Rob Bolden credit for our wins this past season?
skarocksoi - January 17, 2012
oh god no
for starters we didnt win the national title.
And Im not singling out players specifically. I would say you have to give the entire offense credit for some of our wins. Ohio State for one, Northwestern is another. Pretty much every game Silas Redd wasnt banged up for like Purdue and Iowa the offense should get some credit for winning
Im not saying you cant win with a lousy QB, nor am I saying you cant win with a lousy DE. But the unit as a whole cant be lousy or you dont win a national title.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
I would rather be debating a PSU
national championship, not one bought by Auburn.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
Yeah, but it seems
like they got to that game in spite of their defense, not because of it. If you have Cam Newton maybe you can get by with a defense that only puts in one dominant performance a year. I don’t see a Cam Newton at Penn State.
Nittany_Ryan - January 17, 2012
This is like saying the great performance against Testaverde didnt make that season.
BTW, i have this on VHS and need some to splice out He Who Shall Not Be Named so i can enjoy watching it again. Any help would be appreciated.
NEPA_Lions - January 17, 2012
Testaverde didn't have a history of crapping himself
when teams have time to prepare.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
Actually, he kinda did.
At least, I’m pretty sure that he had an awful game against Tennessee in the Sugar Bowl after the ’85 season, anyway.
icavalera - January 17, 2012
Yep, here we go.. 1986 Sugar Bowl: Tennessee - 35, Miami - 7
http://allstatesugarbowl.org/site106.php
icavalera - January 17, 2012
One note on Auburn's defenses:
If you know you have an “all right” defense and a “good offense”, on a tactical level, it makes sense to play the turnover game. If in the average game, you get burned once for being over agressive, but can force 2-3 more turnovers to turn into scoring opportunities, that is a favorable risk to take. Reverse those numbers, and yeah you’re just silly.
mvrck - January 17, 2012
Especially if you're playing with the lead.
This is very valid and something I haven’t considered. While I don’t know if this was the actual strategy being employed, I would support it if it was. Any idea how many turnovers they forced compared to how many TD’s they gave up?
Succss With Honor Always - January 17, 2012
2010-11 Auburn
gave up 25 passing TDs and 16 rushing TDs, while forcing 12 interceptions and 7 fumble recoveries.
dbl5030 - January 17, 2012
My apologies,
they recovered 10 fumbles, not 7.
dbl5030 - January 17, 2012
Any insight on points off turnovers?
I tried looking, but Auburn’s athletic department site is useless and apparently ESPN only cares about offensive stats.
Succss With Honor Always - January 17, 2012
No haha you'd have to through the entire season's drive charts
I’m not aware of any stats site that keeps track of points off turnovers, although I’m certainly not a stats buff. I just wanted an excuse to not do work for a few min.
dbl5030 - January 17, 2012
Gave it a D.
He’s not impressive, and some combination of LJ, Vandy, or both was sitting right there and was a better option. Do. Not. Like.
PSUEnrg02 - January 17, 2012
LJ and vandy were co DC's last 3 games
and they gave up a 40 burger to wiscy and let keenum throw for 500 yards – thus, not sure how effective overall they were
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
Who cares how many yards Keenum threw for?
They held up 20 points below his season average in POINTS. And the offense/special teams turned the ball over 4 or 5 times vs. Wisky, while their OLmen were allowed to tackle or DL until the late 4th quarter when they threw a couple of flags for show. You’re not going to find a DC who had our talent that was going to do much better in those situations.
PSUEnrg02 - January 17, 2012
Yes but let them score nearly 20 points higher than our season average in POINTS (emphasis added for completeness)
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
We also were forced to play Mr. 3 and Out all game.
The only game in which that happend, I believe. Plus our best players wasn’t nearly 100%. To hold a team like Houston under thirty points you need great DBs and a great front four. We had neither this year, particularly at end. A different scheme doesnt’ change the outcome, and in all liklihood with our personnel makes it worse.
PSUEnrg02 - January 17, 2012
maybe
i still dont know how there is anyway to quantify that LJ or Vandy are far better options at DC. especially when you consider that in the 9 games before they took over, the PSU D gave up 112 total ponts. In the 4 games they were DC, PSU gave up 106. Heck their scoring defense of 26.6 per game is right up there with Roof. at best I’d say they are equal, and that doesnt take into account the fact that Roof has had plenty of success as DC elsewhere
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
The exceptions I wrote aside -
they, like Bradley, were tossed into an unprecedented situation at the end of the season, during by far the hardest part of the schedule. All you can really say about those few games was that the team didn’t completely fall apart. Judging their ability to be DCs by that stretch is WORSE than judging O’Brien by his time at Duke. Vandy and LJ have about a decade each of exemplary performances as position coaches of the best parts of a consistent top 10 defense.
PSUEnrg02 - January 17, 2012
This is what I see:
Is the shitter half full or half empty?
rahpsu92 - January 17, 2012
I will post this picture relentlessly until he's gone.
Peter Gray - January 17, 2012
SEPR8TED @ BRTH?!
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
CHAIN OF COMMAND
I am keeping an optimistic view on things (offense can’t get any worse / playing man coverage can’t be too much worse than playing soft zone and letter USC and Houston QB’s torch us all day), BUT . . . Have any of you black shoe diary writers or posters thought about the odd chain of command / history that is forming now on this staff. B. O’B has either worked with or under (in the case of Roof) a bunch of these coaches now Bill is the one in charge and he’s gets to over ride the other guys. I worry about egos and the odd past and current chain of command that could form on the coaching staff (not that having two OC’s before was good, or two line coaches, etc., but you have a guy who was a head coach (if duke head coach job counts at all) working under someone with no head coaching exp.
And don’t forget the PSU clique left overs that will have little pow wow’s going, man, we’d have never done this under joe pa, bradley, etc.
Oh, and why did we keep the strength guy again? How many more blown ACL’s on LB’s past and present do we need to endure before we realize that maybe their knees aren’t being strengthened properly?
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
letter should be letting, btw
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
I'd be interested in knowing more about how you do your squats...
not really.
We can debate JT and HIT all day, but there really isn’t enough time to overhaul the S&C program for winter workouts and spring ball.
If BOB finds it to be problematic, I’m sure you’ll see it change next year.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
pattern
just seems to be a pattern of it last 5-6 years is all – and yes Dan Connor’s happened while on special teams in the NFL his first year or so, but PSU + LB = someone with ACL the last 6 years is a given every year it seems
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
I get what you're saying.
Sorry for the somewhat douchey response, for many reasons, Im just in a shitty mood.
There do seem to be a lot of knee injuries to LBs, but lets not forget the kind of demands that position puts on the body. We’re expecting guys to be super strong and be able to cut on a dime.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
fluky
and many are fluke ones, too, like mauti’s this year or posluzny getting drilled in the knee in the orange bowl
maybe they can do some yoga to get more flexible, help out the muscle mass that is just sitting on those knees as players get bigger faster stronger
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
So getting drilled in the knee is a fluke?
Seriously, a couple years ago McNabb scrambled out of bounds and blew his knee out. That was flukey.
I don’t know man. These things are complicated. Maybe yoga would help, I don’t know.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
DONT YOU KNOW USC AND OSU ARE TOTALLY DOING HOT YOGA RIGHT NOW
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE FUTURE!? GAWD!
skarocksoi - January 17, 2012
awesome
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
Hot, naked yoga
Yes thats a thing.
psuphysicist - January 17, 2012
I'm not sure how hot that would be
there are some things that shouldn’t be done naked. Yoga is probably one. Paintball another. Shoveling snow a third.
jman07 - January 18, 2012
Oh, man
The bachelor party I attended in New Zealand in 2008 included a paintball outing, at the end of which the bachelor was sent out on a nekkid run.
Just brutal.
jtothep - January 18, 2012
Because PSU is the only school where players tear ACL's.
jman07 - January 17, 2012
excel spreadsheet
c/mon black shoe diary writers, i need a table of all 119 schools and their acl injuries over last ten years – someone make it happen :-)
mikey23 - January 17, 2012
ckmneon should be able to whip
that up during an afternoon nap. Dude is a stats machine.
rahpsu92 - January 17, 2012
Purdue broke that stat in the last two years
At some point you stop counting and just say, “let’s not put a number on something that’s just so sad / funny”
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
True story
I was with another JO in Iraq who was a Purdue alum. Good dude. He was a Civil Engineering officer who was trying to get picked up for SEALs. He was a smart guy with a solid service record and in incredible shape. It was looking good for him to get selected. So one day we’re bored and decide to play some touch football. 10 minutes in, he tears his ACL. You can’t make this stuff up.
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
Probably used HIT.
rahpsu92 - January 17, 2012
No idea, but whatever it was worked
I’m in good shape. I can run a 6 minute mile, a sub 5.0 40, do over 20 consecutive pull ups, and bench press over 250 pounds. I worked out with him once, and I simply couldn’t keep up. The guy was a freak before he got injured.
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
BUT
do you drive a Dodge Stratus? Hmmm? Hmmm?
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
Chevy Silverado
Ohio plates that read BEAT OSU
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
Well then.
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
I'd also like that...
to include MCL’s, partial tears, rehab times and performance dropoffs in subsequent years.
As Lumburgh (sp?) would say “Yeah, I’m gonna need you to come in Saaaturday.”
smh244 - January 17, 2012
um
AIRBHG – Iowa disagrees
Kunza - January 17, 2012
hmmmm, what about AIRBHG?
letsgopsu - January 17, 2012
I still can't see "AIRBHG" without thinking of the Radiohead song "Airbag"
ckmneon - January 18, 2012
NO WAY IN HELL
Do you hire Ted Roof to run the defense passing over LJ, Sr. and Ron Vanderlin. This was a stupid hire and does not instill confidence in BOB!
pic15 - January 17, 2012
Well I tried to make some points...
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
I enjoy reading these posts and comments,
but I’m giving every coach not named Johnson or Vanderlinden a wait-and-C grade.
CvilleLion - January 17, 2012
Bill, your defensive coordinator... Woof.
psuwxman - January 17, 2012
I can't claim credit for this, a friend of mine did most of the heavy lifting.
I only came up with the idea.
psuwxman - January 17, 2012
If you weren't a guy . . .
and I weren’t already married . . .
Seriously though, you are my hero-for-the-day, that’s how much I enjoyed this.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
The two years prior to Roof’s arrival in Auburn, Auburn’s defenses ranked 6th and 14th in scoring and 6th and 29th in total defense. His Auburn defenses ranked 76th, 53rd and 78th in scoring defense and 68th, 60th and 80th in total defense. I’m less than excited.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
he was defensive coordinator other places besides Auburn
At Ga Tech he was nomintaed as top assistant in country and his defenses were top 15-20. At Duke in one season they jumped almost 60 spots in total defense. and at minnesota, as stated above, they saw huge improvements.
Do I like that his Auburn defenses were great, no. But he won a national title there one of those years, and he had to coach a defense under Gene Chizik, who was also a defensive coordinator. I dont know how that played into things.
This isnt a guy with a shoddy pedigree by any means. Will he be great here I dont know, but we need to stop acting like we just moved our Offensive Line coach to DC. /Reid’d’d’d
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
They won b/c of Cam Newton & in spite of Roof's defense.
His recent defenses have been absolute shite. That’s why he was kindly asked to remove himself from Auburn.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
you cant win a national championship in spite of your defense
not when you only score 22 points in the title game against the best offense in the country and still win. If his defense was so bad, they dont win that game.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
So you're trying to use one game to excuse all of the others?
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
what excuse do i need to make for a team that won every one of its games?
answer me this, can a bad defense hold a team that scores 600 points in one season to less than 20? You cant honestly say yes. It also proves what Roof can do when he has time to gameplan.
They also gave up less than 10 points per game in the second half. Pretty good considering they had to come from behind in 5 games when the almighty Cam Newton and the offense in the first half was only able to score 3 against clemson, 14 against s.carolina, 10 against LSU, a 21-21 shootout in the first half with UGA and only scored 7 against Bama.
I cant get why you think this defense had no role in winning a national title. If that defense isn’t solid when they need to be they maybe lose 5 games that year and play in the Music City Bowl.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
Cal's did.
They held them to even less, 15 points. Cal lost six games that year. By your logic, and ignoring their defensive rankings, Cal could not have had a bad defense that year. However, on the other line of thinking here, since Cal went 5-7, they must have had a bad defense. Uh oh.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
*Cal lost seven games that year.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
i dont know if thats really my logic
but you have me there on Cal I suppose, so I withdraw my arrogant opening paragraph question. Though Im not, nor was my argument ever that this was a great defense. Just that it cant be that bad if it accomplished all these things
My logic is more that you need to take it all into account, the fact that he kept his team in games when the offense struggled, that they appeared to play well in the late stages of a game, that they won every game, that they won the national title against an offense that had a month to prepare that scored 600 points.
The overall point im making, or started out making, is that people act like this guy has no pedigree, has accounted for nothing in his 10 years as DC, and cant be good because his Auburn defenses werent good despite winning a national title. Pretty much everything Ive said since is based on the incredulous idea that somehow Auburn won a national title with no help from their defense.
I have no idea how he will fair at PSU, but I think we all need to relax and see what happens. This may not be Dick LeBeau, but its definitely not Greg Robinson
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
Yeah, I know it wasn't your intent, but I am neither wild about the idea
that holding that offense under 20 is automatic qualification for “not bad” (which you have admittedly retracted), nor the idea that they must have been good because the team was undefeated.
Of course the defense contributed. But that isn’t really the point. Cam Newton isn’t coming to PSU, so we should really strive to have the best defense possible. The number of qualifications you have to make for him to sound, you know, not Greg Robinson (hell, even Greg Robinson might not have been Greg Robinson- RR barely recruited competent defensive players and may have made him run the 335 when he didn’t want to), make him feel awfully close.
His defense at Minnesota was ranking in the bottom third of Division 1A in total defense. “Oh but, he improved them a ton!.”
His defenses at Auburn were very bad. “Oh but, they won a NC.”
His defenses at Duke were terrible. “Oh but, it’s Duke.”
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
But he did hold Team X to 0 points in the second half.
.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
if we lose games cause of our defense i will join you
until then i reserve my right to judgment. I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
That's perfectly fair.
I think the sample size of performances is big enough to say that we won’t maintain a top defense. I hope and wait to be happily proven wrong. Once all these hires settle in, I’ll love the one I’m with.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
Plenty it would appear.
You can try to convince yourself that Roof is a good hire all you want, but it will not make it so. Auburn won IN SPITE of the defense, not because of it. And, his two other seasons were even worse. He took one of college football’s best defenses and immediately oversaw a sixty spot drop in defensive ranking. Subsquently, his defenses could not break the top 50 in either scoring or total defense. But, sure, he is an excellent coach…that’s why he was kindly asked to vacate The Plains for a highly sought after position at UCF.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
im not definitively saying its a good hire
nor that its a bad one. I will say that if all i had to go one was his rankings in 3 years at a school where he had to call an offense while coaching under another defensive minded coach he never worked for or with in the past, then yea, i might think this was a bad hire
But I also have the jobs he did prior to this, the nomination for assistant coach of the year, and the national championship to account for. So I have no idea, but I dont know that we should all assume this defense will give up 500 points next year because of 2 of his last 3 seasons.
Is it possible he sucks, absolutely. But Im not going to just jump into that fire at this point. Especially not when he has shown in the past he is capable of being a very good DC.
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
defense
he was calling defense at that school…. defense
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
I've spent the past two years
Ranting about Roof’s ineptitude! I reserve the right to do something that comes so naturally!
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
UHaul is the M1EK of the Roof Sucks argument
letsgopsu - January 17, 2012
shhh
you’ll get this thread locked down!
dbl5030 - January 17, 2012
I thought is was a pretty funny joke
if I do say so myself!
letsgopsu - January 17, 2012
Not until he plays the victim.
Remember: JoePA is not a victim; M1EK is a victim. Any questions?
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
COME ON PEOPLE NOT HERE YOU WILL RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
CIVILITY PEOPLE
GODDAMNIT!
skarocksoi - January 17, 2012
Rec'd
jtothep - January 17, 2012
For the record,
And speaking as an Auburn fan, too, I completely agree with Uhaul. Roof sucks!
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
That's because you're a remarkably lovely & intelligent woman.
:)
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Keep it up!
Flattery will get you everywhere! Lol!
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
You guys are killing me.
Can’t we have a rational debate without calling people out and egging people on? There was some good debate going here about actual football.
Jeff Junstrom - January 17, 2012
Who did I call out?
I’m just saying that I watched my second favorite team’s defense regress severely under Roof. I’m now afraid it’s going to happen to my favorite team.
And forgive me for trying to add some levity. I guess that’s not allowed.
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
I believe Jeff's referring to the shot taken at me.
The one I ignored b/c I am an individual of superior intelligence and control. :)
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
I can't follow the replies well
From my phone. I thought that was a reply to me.
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
It's all my fault
letsgopsu - January 17, 2012
it was a joke
I know you and figured you would take it as such. If you did not, I am sorry.
letsgopsu - January 17, 2012
No, you're totally cool.
Haha. I’m not complaining about it. You can always take shots at me.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
I did not mean to give the impression that my ass is so clenched I was actually upset.
I, most assuredly, am not.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Clenched?
You seemed so tight you couldn’t pull a pin outta your ass with a tractor!
/ Jim Bouton’d
:-)
Pete the Streak - January 17, 2012
I'm fine with jokes. Jokes happen frequently here.
But calling out M1EK? And the other threads that devolved into pure chaos? Those things are getting old. It’s not just you, but I’d much rather see fights about Auburn’s defense under Ted Roof than some of the fights we’ve been seeing recently.
Jeff Junstrom - January 17, 2012
DONT YOU START ABOUT TED ROOF!
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
You know how to stop the chaos
Ban everyone! It will do wonders for my production levels at work.
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
RE: Jumping to Conclusions and This Thread
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
Gave it a C
On the one hand, the time at Auburn does not inspire confidence.
On the other, he’s been a BCS head coach (if Duke counts), runs a system PSU has the personnel for, has two great (greatest?) position coaches for his front 7 that should correct the primary problem his defenses have had, which is tackling. Also, he’s greatly improved some defenses in the past, which is good.
So it’s definitely NOT an A or an F, and I don’t really feel like a B or D is fair at the moment either.
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
/subscribes
And votes C.
For the time being.
jtothep - January 17, 2012
Same here. It's a neutral vote til I'm convinced one way or the other
Pete the Streak - January 17, 2012
Yep. With you guys.
Chris Grovich - January 17, 2012
I voted D
But thats just because I let Uhaul talk me into it when he was hired. Plus, I’m general too drunk on blue kool-aide to give out bad grades and I thought it was time for a change.
Maybe I should have waited and read your response and it would have talked me into a C grade
psuphysicist - January 17, 2012
Come on people...
GERG Robinson is an F.
Roofie is no worse than a D at the point.
Artiefufkin10 - January 17, 2012
Why don't we call him...
Floorie?
Esteban d' Amur - January 17, 2012
I see what you did there
My high school basketball coach’s last name was Flory, and he was an idiot. So maybe Roof will be awesome?
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
My sister-in-law's hot friend is named Flory
Or Fleury, or something. Honestly I don’t know. I just wanted to throw that out there.
Nittany_Ryan - January 17, 2012
Your sister-in-law and her hot friend sound hot.
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
So does your sister
Nittany_Ryan - January 17, 2012
I don't have a sister, but I can ask my brother to wear a wig and tuck if it helps.
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
That's OK
I’ll just imagine you have a sister. Since she’s not real, she can be whatever I dream.
Nittany_Ryan - January 17, 2012
That makes two of us!
Wait… no…
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
Just dream you're in West Virginia
Nittany_Ryan - January 17, 2012
That got out of hand quickly
Brick killed a guy
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
In my limited experience with WorldBFat
quickly is the only way things get out of hand, and out of hand is the only way things get.
Nittany_Ryan - January 17, 2012
rec'd
for truth and poetry
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
Tucked wigs look ridiculous
jtothep - January 17, 2012
Do you know a James Gumm, or Jamie Gumm? Jame Gumm?
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
It was my Halloween costume this year, but I quickly got too drunk to tuck.
I only tucked once, at the 2nd bar.
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
with the benefit of hindsight
you should have drank less and tucked more…we’re all victims because of your drinking.
hbeach08 - January 17, 2012
The junk that was untucked and free to flop, or whatever they want to say...
I think we should all say a prayer for it.
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
This is a valid contribution
jtothep - January 17, 2012
pics or gtfo
skarocksoi - January 17, 2012
What's her ethnicity?
Or country of origin?
Or hippy-ness of her parents?
jtothep - January 17, 2012
are you referencing this
swiggy04 - January 17, 2012
I am.
Esteban d' Amur - January 17, 2012
HAHA
Tressel interviewing for HC of the Indianapolis Colts. HAHAHAHAHA.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
“If we’d have waited, we could have had Jim Caldwell!”
-Fucking Nutcases
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
and somewhere, sitting in a dark secluded private study
Joyner and Lubert exclaim “Damnit! We could have really gotten a homerun hire if we hadn’t jumped the gun!”
skarocksoi - January 17, 2012
Rec'd
They’re totally sitting in a private study.
jtothep - January 17, 2012
I always envision those guys as
Randolph & Mortimer Duke.
“And then there are other commodities, like frozen orange juice… and GOLD. Though, of course, gold doesn’t grow on trees like oranges.”
Tailgate Shogun - January 17, 2012
for example:
Tailgate Shogun - January 17, 2012
Those guys may have been narcissistic racists
but at times over the past 2 months, I wished the BOT was as smart as those guys.
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
At least they were equally condescending.
bacon, which you might find on a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich
WorldBFat - January 17, 2012
TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON.
Chris Grovich - January 17, 2012
BOB: "Five dollars. Maybe I'll go to the movies.... by myself"
Joyner: “Half of that is from me!”
Tailgate Shogun - January 17, 2012
You said "Tressel"...
… but my mind read “Urban Meyer”.
Wouldn’t THAT have been something.
No.21 - January 17, 2012
let me preface this by saying I'm not a violent person
and i in no way condone or approve of violence in general – actually really hate it -
But doesn’t Roof have a face you just want to punch?
PSUgirl - January 17, 2012
It's the uncanny resemblance
To Spanier. We all want to punch Spanier.
Paige2PSU - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
I could barely watch that
“introducing the coaches” video without slapping the monitor
PSUgirl - January 17, 2012
I remain underwhelmed with this selection.
SubLime - January 17, 2012
B
Roof, when given time to gameplan, was more than effective.
Thing is, is that he didn’t have much in the way of assistant coaches at Auby. At Penn State, he’ll have a lot better
ICEICETHATGUY13 - January 17, 2012
That's impossible
In the SEC, the assistant coaches are waayyyy better than the coordinators, and the coordinators are better than the head coach. Isn’t that how it works?
kijana's acl - January 17, 2012
and the GAs
were even better than the assistants.
Cari Greene - January 17, 2012
I want so badly to agree with you
I just don’t yet
ckmneon - January 17, 2012
And you're basing your assertion that "he didn't have much in the way of assistant coaches at Auby . . ."
On what exactly?
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
That Tracy Rocker was his only really good assistant. He's with the Titans now
Phillip Lolley, their CB’s coach. Yeah, he’s like Kermit Buggs
Tommy Thigpen was some washout coach from UNC
ICEICETHATGUY13 - January 17, 2012
Thigpen is not a washout.
He has a good reputation throughout the Southeast and is an excellent recruiter. I would agree that Lolley is/was a joke.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
IN all honesty, I googled Thigpen and followed his search history
And got some UNC fans who weren’t huge on him. I didn’t factor in recruiting (Should I? I dunno) but his LB’ers play at UNC seemed okay at best. Not bad, but nothing near were Vandy can get them.
ICEICETHATGUY13 - January 17, 2012
And yes, that required a little digging
ICEICETHATGUY13 - January 17, 2012
Haha
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
He is considered one of the Top 15 recruiters in the country.
And since that’s a part of coaching college ball, it is a factor.
Also, UNC fans know exactly zero about football.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Fair point, I was more or less getting at development
And not recruitment.
Good point though, UNC fans aren’t the most knowledgeable, haha
ICEICETHATGUY13 - January 17, 2012
I look forward to making this guy the scapegoat and running him out of town
It’ll be a strange feeling when we have a bad coach and we actually send him packing as opposed to watching him stink up the joint for 20 years.
This hire is eerily similar to that Greg Robinson at Michigan. You take a guy, whose had literally no success at what he does, and he gets the job because the head coach is worried about the offense and just wants his buddy around.
LJ or Vandy should have been given the nod as DC, but I suspect we won’t have to wait long for that to be corrected.
millzners - January 17, 2012
I hope Roofied
doesn’t become the new Gerg’d. I don’t know if the hire is quite as bad as Gerg was at the time, but the qualifications sounds very similar to my conversations with Michigan fans back then. "He didn’t get any support at Syracuse! No one can win there! He was great winning a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP at Texas. Haha, scary.
PSUinBOSSton - January 17, 2012
again
not using that as a qualifier that he will be a great hire or, indeed, a fantastic coordinator in the long run. Just saying, at this point and because of his national championship winning defense at auburn, i will not start freaking out about it either.
also, as a syracuse alum, nothing can be worse than greg robinson. he failed at syracuse and michigan because he could not recruit. not because he was a bad coordinator. Robinson won two super bowls as a D coordinator. I dont think roof will be in charge of recruiting for the defense and Im positive he wont be in charge of recruiting for the whole team.
swiggy04 - January 19, 2012
This morning, Bill King essentially called Roof our G-Rob.
Noting that he didn’t understand the hire at all.
Of course, King’s opinion is no more valid than anyone else on here.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Maybe I'm an idiot
but who the hell is Bill King?
Tailgate Shogun - January 17, 2012
He has the morning show on Sirius/XM Radio's college sports network
Bill King
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
He also has a comically ridiculous Radio Guy Voice.
Chris Grovich - January 17, 2012
It is impossible to listen to.
Even worse than Finebaum.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
Hyperbole
Nothing is worse than F-baum.
Nothing.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
Bill King's voice is.
Finebaum’s show is worse.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
Thank you
don’t listen to that newfangled radio thing
/carrier pigeon’d
Tailgate Shogun - January 17, 2012
I'm worried
that he’ll be given the benefit of the doubt, and LJ & Vandy will be gone.
Cari Greene - January 17, 2012
I would flip a news van.
FB6244 - January 17, 2012
I will have already flipped it over.
You can flip it back to right side up.
Tailgate Shogun - January 17, 2012
The bigger concern is Roof gets canned...
And we cannot bring on a legitimate DC without letting him bring in new people, which could result in LJ and/or Vandy leaving.
Uhaul - January 17, 2012
I don't know
BOB has loyalty to Roof. No loyalty to Vandy and LJ yet.
Cari Greene - January 18, 2012
Roof?
What part of Italy is his family from anyway?
joefromboalsburg - January 17, 2012
BREAKING INSIGHT!
If Roof has players, he’ll be a good coach.
If he doesn’t, he’ll suck.
We could say the same thing about JayPa or Bradley. Roof had 0 players drafted off of his first Auburn defense; 1 (Fairley) off his second; and won’t have more than 1 off his last defense.
2009 PSU – Odrick, Lee, Bowman, etc…good defense
2010 PSU – Ogbu? Not as good of a defense
It’s a fun exercise. Someone else try it
bscaff - January 17, 2012 via iPhone app
Loser Plain and simple
Roof can’t hold a job and this is supposed to be an upgrade to Bradley? Gimme a break. LJ and Vandy may only last a year. Roof is a loser who was with losing programs and when he had the good fortune to land at Auburn he was run out of town by the end of the season even as the won the MNC. We all know why they won and it was because they had the Heisman QB and the best D lineman in the country that year. They won in spite of Roof and not b/c of him. Otherwise the background is Duke, Ga Tech, Minn….none of that impresses me.
NittanyGeezer - January 17, 2012
correction
he was not run out of town by the end of the season they won the MNC. He was run out of town the year after they won the MNC, when by all accounts they exceeded expectations anyway.
Cari Greene - January 18, 2012
Exceeded outsiders expectations,
but he failed to meet Auburn’s expectations. Do you know how many times in the last two years I’ve yelled at the TV, “WTF happened to the Auburn’s defense?!! They used to have a defense! And be able to tackle! WTF? Seriously?” As I said before, I have been ranting for two years.
Paige2PSU - January 18, 2012
Oh I definitely get that.
But most outsiders did predict them to do worse than they did this year…so there was that.
Cari Greene - January 18, 2012
I feel bad for you.
Looks like Coach BOB will be a transitional coach.
the thin red line - January 22, 2012
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