Caring is creepy today. Follow along as we watch the decisions of 18-year old kids enrage grown men and cause others to jump for joy. The first faxes should be rolling in beginning at 7:00 a.m. local (to each recruit) time, and will continue all day.
Who will be the first letter in for Penn State? Given his attitude throughout this process, my money is on Jake Kiley. But we'll wait for updates from Penn State and update accordingly.
The Penn State Class
For your viewing pleasure, the Penn State Class of 2012 (absent from the list below is the ESPN rating for each player, and that's not because of anything to do with their prior coverage of Penn State [I'm avoiding commentary on that issue], but because I find their recruiting coverage abhorrent):
| Name | Position | School | City | State | 247Sports (37th) |
Scout (46th) |
Rivals (46th) |
LOI In? |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bench, Steven | QB | Cairo | Bainbridge | GA | 3* (82) | 2* | 3* | YES |
| Davis, DaQuan | DB | Calvert Hall College | Towson | MD | 3* (83) | 3* | 2* | YES |
| Dowrey, Derek | DL | John Handley | Winchester | VA | 3* (84) | 3* | 2* | YES |
| Gaia, Brian | DL | Gilman School | Baltimore | MD | 3* (88) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Golden, Malik | WR | Cheshire Academy | Cheshire | CT | 3* (80) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| James, Jesse | TE | South Allegheny | McKeesport | PA | 3* (84) | 3* | 3* | YES* |
| Johnson, Austin | DL | St. Augustine Prep | Richland | NJ | 3* (86) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Kiley, Jake | DB | New Hampton School | New Hampton | NH | 2* (78) | 3* | 2* | YES |
| Laurent, Wendy | OL | Hun School | Princeton | NJ | 3* (80) | 3* | 2* | YES |
| Lewis, Eugene | WR | Wyoming Valley West | Plymouth | PA | 4* (92) | 4* | 4* | YES |
| Lucas, Jordan | DB | Worcester Academy | Worcester | MA | 3* (81) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Lynch, Akeel | RB | St. Francis | Attica | NY | 4* (92) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Pollard, Jamil | DT | West Deptford | Westville | NJ | 4* (93) | 3* | 4* | YES |
| Schwan, Evan | DL | Central Dauphin | Harrisburg | PA | 3* (84) | 3* | 2* | YES |
| Stanko, Anthony | OL | Howland | Warren | OH | 3* (83) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Warner, Jonathan | WR | Camas | Camas | WA | 2* (78) | 2* | 2* | YES |
| Wartman, Nyeem | LB | Valley View | Archbald | PA | 3* (89) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Wilkerson, Brent | TE | DeMatha Catholic | Hyattsville | MD | 4* (92) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Williams, Trevor | WR | Calvert Hall College | Towson | MD | 3* (80) | 3* | 3* | YES |
| Average | 3.11* (84.68) | 2.95* | 2.79* |
(* - Jesse James was an early enrollee in the Class of '12, which means his scholarship will backdate to the Class of '11. Semantics at this point, but it will be something to watch in the future, especially as it pertains to the SEC oversigning epidemic.)
What Else To Watch For
You won't see Penn State's name show up during any of these announcements, but here are a few names that will be talked about throughout the day (Scout has a really good rundown, as well):
Open Thread rules apply. The chart above will be updated as faxes roll in; however, since we can't monitor the news all day, please let us know if a letter of intent comes in. Don't forget to follow along at GoPSUSports and GoPSF for any official updates.
For a good history/outline of National Letter of Intent Day, see the NCAA's article from last year. Other than that, keep it civil in the thread, and if you catch some good reactions from other fans, share accordingly.
UPDATE: Don't forget to send your Recruiting Mailbag questions to (jeffjunstrom AT yahoo DOT com) for the inaugural post sometime in February!
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A Stefon Diggs commitment would be a great birthday surprise from BOB.
psume06 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I'm pretty sure he has postponed his decision to Friday.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Shit.
psume06 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
happy birthday nonetheless
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Thanks.
It’s a good one: fairly regularly wind up with NSD or the Super Bowl on it.
psume06 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Happy Birthday, 06!
I would sing to you, but there is no sense in making the local dogs howl in pain and fright.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
I heard that
My birthday is tomorrow! Love it when it’s also the Super Bowl.
PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
And to think
I was born on Super Bowl Sunday, back when it was two-thirds of the way through January
stp147 - February 1, 2012
I know
I’m Jan. 27 and I used to be able celebrate on Superbowl Sunday every year…
Doboy36 - February 1, 2012
Hey, me too!
Happy belated birthday!
PSUmob - February 1, 2012
I'm a week before you
So the last time Super Bowl fell on my birthday it was Montana vs. Marino before the world knew how to do the “Super Bowl Shuffle”.
stp147 - February 1, 2012
Any word on any of the Rutgers' kids?
Or are all of them sticking to the school?
Also, likelihood of any of our class to bail today?
jman07 - February 1, 2012
mmm rutgers leftovers
whiteoutonly - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I've only seen rumblings of two Rutgers players looking elsewhere.
I wouldn’t expect any of them to jump to PSU. Similarly, I do not expect any PSU commit to jump ship.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
I saw o twitter Odrick's brother looking to bail
Odrick said PSU wanted him as an OL so he was looking at Cuse or the U
psupride - February 1, 2012
Just saw that he signed with Rutgers.
Probably just last minute butterflies.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
it seems that all the rutgers kids are staying
which is great. it shows that they were committed to the school and not the coach. I wonder if the NCAA investigation is what scared a lot of our kids that flopped rather than the coaching change?
psupride - February 1, 2012
And they got a commitment from Darius Hamilton
Which was a major commitment, given that they lost a coach days before.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
I think (not sure)
They lost one kid to BC.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Kyle Flood at Rutgers
is one of the best recruiters around. What he did at Rutgers being in the spot he was in was incredable. He aggressively kept in touch with all his kids. Then he had his assistants stay on top of them. He then changed the mind of one of the top kids in NJ to go from Miami to Rutgers in Hamilton. It’s scarry the job he did. I think that may be a lesson some of our coaches could have followed. I don’t know how they kept in touch with prospects and I know they were in a very tough spot but boy, our results could have been better.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
We were in a huge bind though.
These kids had the long dead time with no contact from coaches to think about things, and get their college choice shit on by the uninformed masses.
mvrck - February 1, 2012
But PSU had Tom Bradley out there recruiting...
…and trying to keep the commits on board. His reputation as a recruiter is golden.
Perhaps TB is a little overrated as a recruiter, but really nobody…not even this Flood guy…could have saved this class after all that happened.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
In the Rutgers case
Shiano quit with less than a week to go. Most of their commits were just sitting around waiting for LOI day. Not even thinking about “flippin”. Same with coaches, most were not even thinking about raiding Rutgers (they only had a couple of kids worth raiding, anyway). Coaches hardly had time to put the Rurgers kids back ontheir radar. Our kids had 2-3 months to think about it and listen to or read comments from outsiders telling them what a “risk” it was to stay with Penn State.
TB and staff did their best, but they really had no solid facts (ie who the coaches would be, what “punishment” Penn State would get). They were way behind the 8-ball. And still are to some extent.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
agreed with several things
but I don’t agree at all about Rutgers not having kids to take. They grabbed 2 vg OL from PA, they have an outstanding LB and a good wr from NJ. They had kids that people wanted. You are right though that they didn’t have to face the negative side of a scandal. It is just weird I was used to Unv. FLA, USC, OSU coming in a grabbing PA kids but never Rutgers. I also think Scap did all he could do with his job uncertainty.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
Also, poaching goes on most heavily in December and early January
If a coach quits with less than a week before NSD, a lot of schools that might have tried to poach some of the commits would already be at their capacity (assuming they pay attention to such numbers) and would either have to rescind offers to kids who’ve been on board for months or just go with what they have.
If you have uncertainty in December and January, best believe that other schools are putting on the full court press, though.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Difference is:
Flood was hired. Bradley wasn’t.
Schiano quits a week before signing day. PSU waits 60 days without a coach.
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
Dave f-ing Joyner!
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Yep
Rutgers was quick to decide and stayed at home (though they did court Cristobal). Hiring TB or another “name” coach right after the season would have gone a long way to keeping several of those Flippers in the class. Nobody here, let alone a HS senior, had ever heard of O’Brien before he was hired.
That said, I do like and support O’Brien. After Sunday, we’ll begin to see what we really got!
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
to be fair
rutgers didnt have time to dilly-dally. Not that Im saying we did, but they needed an immediate fix with LOI day around the corner.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Hopefully we are planning on the marathon
Not the sprint to signing day!
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Our flip-flops
I think our decommits are more due to negative recruiting from other schools and uneducated backlash from friends/family in response to the coverage of everything. The staff would have had these kids on Penn State, not on Joe Paterno alone.
kflintosh - February 1, 2012
Well, they didn't have a whole lot of time to look around before LOI day.
DrewRusse - February 1, 2012
Kiley's official
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
No Five Star Recruits?
PSU should just shut down the programWith the scandal and BO’B at the Super Bowl, don’t know that you could do a ton better than this.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
This class seems like it will be a good core class
Just add a stud or two next year and B’OB will be off and running. I really like the kids we are getting this year. I think Bench will grow into a good QB and how the heck can you go wrong with a TE named Jesse James?
I hope I have not drank to much blue kool-aide but I am happy with what we will get this year. It just goes to show that Joe left the program with state of the art facilities that will help this proud program contiune in the face of all of whats happened.
PSU_sincebirth - February 1, 2012
It's a mediocre-yet-solid class.
We’ll have a post-analysis look next week, but the class missed some holes, filled some needs, and got some great prospects.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
I hate to employ a cliche...
But it is what it is.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Joe was an enabler of
child molestationcontinued program success.jman07 - February 1, 2012
Shame the small handful
of kids who decommitted just happened to be our highest ranked prospects. Sigh.
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
i doubt thats a coincidence
when the JS crap surfaced, obviously coaches put the full court press on our best recruits.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
not to mention the whispers
that some of them (the coaches/recruiters) were filling these kids heads with poison. I don’t have a problem with kids changing their minds. Hell, I had four different majors at one point or another. I have a problem with adults deliberately misleading them to gain an advantageous position.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
This happens in every walk of life.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
still doesn't change my distaste for it.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Never told a woman
You were a Rocket Scentist?PaJoe - February 1, 2012
believe it or not
I was more apt to get drunk and try the more straightforward “so, wanna fuck?” line. It worked probably far more often than pretending to be something i wasn’t.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
You know, I did that too...
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
I prefer to go with:
“I’m from Iceland”
Or something similarly absurd. It seems the more absurd, the easier conversation is to start.
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
"Excuse me, I think I dropped my
Congressional Medal of Honor under your bar stool."
Works every time.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
"Excuse me, I think I dropped my
Congressional Medal of Honor under your
bar stoolskirt."PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
I like to go with "I'm from Australia"
and when they ask “what happened to your accent” tell them that I didn’t have room for it in my luggage.
Like you said, the more absurd the better.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
That's why I go with Iceland
NO ONE knows anything about Iceland, so no one can wonder about your lack of accent or dispute any facts you make up about the country.
Many people out there believe I’m 48th in line to the throne of Iceland, due to my royal blood lines (grandmother was brother to the current King’s uncle).
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
Wait
Your grandmother was the brother of the King’s uncle? Wouldn’t that make your grandmother also the King’s uncle? I love to think that this is not a typo, but you paraphrasing an actual transcript, and that it worked.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
As the saying goes
If the queen had a cock she’d be the king.
I don’t know how having a rooster makes somebody the king though?
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Er,
maybe my grandfather was brother to the King’s nephew. Who knows?
If someone is paying that much attention to a story about me being a prince in Iceland, it’s probably time to move on to the next girl.
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
Disagree
If she’s that interested, youve done your job.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Or she's not drunk enough
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Good point
That can be easily remedied though.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
I prefer
that they be dreaming about being a princess, possibly even future Queen of Iceland, should the 47 people in front of me in line all die spontaneously.
Too much thought, and they’ll realize some gaping holes in my story.
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
So...
You guys do “spin” the truth a little when you “recruit”.
You’re no better than Urbz and at least e can say he makes $5 Million a year!
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Well fine, I only make ONE million a year. Thanks for reminding me.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
perhaps
i wasn’t asking the right people. i don’t make anywhere near a million. does that mean i was a piss poor recruiter?
smh244 - February 1, 2012
That's where you went wrong
you don’t ask yourself, you have your dad or a shady uncle do all the dirty work for you.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Funnily enough,
I’ve heard the “I’m a millionaire” line before.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Hi DWF, I never told you I'm a millionaire
bet you would have shown up if you knew!
BMAN13 - February 1, 2012
ha, it didn't work the first time.
He didn’t have a good answer when I asked why a millionaire would be riding the D train in a ripped Mets shirt.
I am going back to Chambersburg this weekend. Maybe this time I’ll have to find you.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
If canning, let us know where you will be.
BMAN13 - February 1, 2012
I'm taking a trip to UHS to make sure I'm healthy enough.
I fully plan on going, but I’ll let you know when I know for sure.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I lie about my income, too, Pa.
Once you get started, it’s difficult to stop . . . .
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Some day
You guys need to get the movie “Waking Ned Devine”. Very funny movie about how a “lie”/scheme continues to grow and eventually a whole Irish town, including the Priest, is in on the scheme.
Actually, kinda of like tOSU!
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Now now
it was Tressel and only Tressel that knewjman07 - February 1, 2012
I just tell them
i had a dream where god said we slept together.
How does that make me different from Meyer?
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I simply walked up to them and said:
“I know what you’re thinking – Goodbye dildo, hello Breezy!”
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Cory Giger?
carolinaeasy - February 1, 2012
One definition of character is,
“Do you do the right thing when no one is watching?” I also define character as, “Do you do the right thing when EVERYONE is watching?” While it is not my place to impugn the character of young men, I do believe those that decomitted showed slightly less character than those that stayed (or, like Jamil Pollard committed after the shitstorm hit). Penn State as a football program was going to survive, despite a few idiots screaming for the program to be shut down. We would still have great facilities, Beaver Stadium, a proud tradition — would still be playing in the B1G.
Not wishing ill on those that left, but sure am grateful for those who stayed and those who joined after the crisis hit. As many have said, this class is special, even if not one recruit plays a single down in a game.
We STILL Are . . .
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
If Urban Meyer had been in place as OSU's coach from last summer
I think a lot of our commits would have stayed. There’s a whole different psychology to choosing Penn State over a bunch of other schools with the same head coaches in place and then thinking about switching than with being recruited by a school and a coach that can say "listen, I would have recruited you day and night from day one if I’d been here the whole time…you’re not flip-flopping your commitment, you’re just being presented with an opportunity that wasn’t there when you committed.
I think a couple of guys would have left regardless, but I think the fact that a main recruiting competitor just nailed a coaching hire in November created the perfect storm for them to reap.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
What about that DB from NY?
A couple folks posted a link to an article saying he’d been contacted and “might have to change his mind” about where to commit.
We’ll never know, and maybe it will equal out it BOB gets a ring on Sunday, but I wonder how much of a difference it would have made for him to leave the Pats immediately.
wjh150 - February 1, 2012
Wayne Morgan?
Not coming to PSU. Never re-received an offer.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
He signed with Syracuse
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
Quick Updates
Joel Caleb to VTech
Korren Kirven to Bama
Dennis Norfleet flip to UM (from Cincinatti)
Taylor Decker flip to OSU (from ND)
Rumors that Davonte Neal to OSU eventually
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
How many skollies do the Suckeyes have?
Seems like they are on track to sign 35 this year —WTH?!?!?!!
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
yea
just doesn’t seem to add up…
Why did I Graduate? - February 1, 2012
There have been some questionable practices there recently.
Some players cut from team for violations, some transferred, etc. One of them is facing some legal troubles, instead of signing a LOI.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
"There have been some questionable practices there recently."
At Ohio State? Surely you jest!Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
I was never an Urbs fan for our next HC,
even before the crisis. I know he didn’t oversign in Florida, but, as noted, there are ways to game the system aside from outrageous oversigning.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
My thing is
people who defend oversigning say that “it’s not a competitive advantage” or something along those lines. Well if it isn’t a competitive advantage, why do people continue to do it as often as they can get away with it?
jman07 - February 1, 2012
its like polygamy.
Some may believe in it, but there’s always gonna be someone left out of the bedroom.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
I think of it this way.
I am playing poker; don’t like the cards I swap out, so am allowed to reach into an entirely new deck and grab a few aces and kings. That’s oversigning to me. Not a perfect analogy, but it illustrates how the signing situation can be gamed.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Pretty good analogy
I get five cards. But, I have to discard a couple cards before I get to draw new ones.
You get to keep your original cards and see your new three-card draw, before you discard them.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Uh Oh.
Doubling my post count without even trying.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
I think this is a better analogy
If you can see the top 3 cards on the deck before choosing whether to discard, you’re going to have an advantage.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Of course, it's a competitive advantage
It let’s you compete for the top rated kids every year.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Another reason
I’ve always believed oversigning gives you options i.e. you have two linebackers for one position, the best one plays and the other one gets benched or even worse gets sent home. This I think is the problem with oversigning and why teams from the SEC are so good. They have their recruits compete against each other for a spot on the team instead of against upperclassmen for playing time. If they have 23 spots available, they get the best 23 kids out of 30 instead of the best 23 kids out of 26 (under B1G rules). Those extra four kids make a huge difference in depth, which is why I believe oversigning is such a huge competitive advantage.
LionInTheWeeds - February 1, 2012
SEC schools are restricted to 25 now.
FWIW.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Tell that to Bama.
They have 27 commits in this class.
mvrck - February 1, 2012
You can still count back.
Like every other school in America.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
LOL
Yeah, suuuuurrreeeee
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
25 active scholarships + unlimited "promises".
It’s not only the fact that they sign 25 kids/year that creates a disadvantage to other schools (at the expense of 15 kid’s educations every 4 years) but also the fact that they make verbal promises to include talented recruits in next year’s class. That allows them to select the 25 kids that address their immediate needs while lining up kids they expect to fill their needs in the following year. If someone better comes along, those kids with the “promises” get ignored when they could’ve been playing and getting a degree at a different school instead of working a part time job for a year waiting for the scholarship they were promised.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
You are referring to greyshirting? Every school in the NCAA is permitted to do that. Moreover, if a kid elects to accept a greyshirt offer over other actual scholarship offers, then those schools offering scholarships for the present recruiting year are doing a really poor job selling their program.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I admit I like your spunk.
But you cannot be seriously defending the shitty oversigning of some of your SEC bretheren. It isn’t greyshirting or all these other excuses, it is just running the football team like a slimy business. Just embrace it if you are a fan. Some are some aren’t.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Just because it happens doesn't make it right.
If the NCAA would put something in place to prevent this from happening, it would have a significant impact on the competitive advantage. And I’m not aware of PSU losing any recruits to this process, so it’s not that I’m bitter about it, I just think it’s completely immoral. Let’s face the reality of the situation, it’s not like these kids are waiting to get into a school like Harvard where the degree will be worth the wait even if their football career doesn’t pan out. They’re truly jeopardizing their futures, all for a promise that holds absolutely no weight.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
I agree
It is shitty and the peeople who do it, root for teams who do it, and allow it to happen are shitty. IMO of course.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Limiting my response to greyshirt offers...
I have zero problem with them. Nobody forces a recipient’s hand to accept such an offer, and those recipients almost universally have real scholarship offers from which to choose. If they want to wait to go to Alabama instead of attending NC State, I cannot really fault the kid or the school.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I'm not really buying that they have no other scholarship offers.
If Saban is willing to make a “promise”, other coaches are/were interested. It’s only after the recruit commits to that school that the other coaches back off, which is what allows Saban and other schools that do this to stake claims for 30 kids and then pick the 25 they want now. By the time they inform the 5 they didn’t pick that they won’t be getting a scholarship this year, the other big schools have already filled their 25 scholarships. It doesn’t just start with a kid saying “no, I’ll wait until next year since you’re full this year”. Some of these kids were promised a scholarship this year, which is why it blows my mind that they think that same promise for the following year is worth more.
The process of greyshirting is overpromising and then exploiting 18 year old kids and their naivete and it is no better than that predatory tactics used by some financial companies to put people in massive amounts of debt while making them think it’s a “smart” decision.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
Penn State
and JoePa used Grey shirting. If he was ok with it, it doesn’t give me too much heartburn.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
As long as you keep the promise for the following year
I agree. Ole Miss and Arkansas, two examples I found in a quick google search of “greyshirt offer pulled”, are two examples of SEC schools not doing that. That’s shitty.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Agreed
as long as you actually follow through. That was a big assumption on my part.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Houston Nutt was the king of oversigning
He signed 38 one year. LOL.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I never understood
what kids were thinking when they agreed to stuff like that.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
I cannot figure out how he ever got down to 85.
Seriously…38 kids? 38? Granted, I realize that a fair number of those kids signed LOIs only to go to prep school (and probably never made it in to Ole Miss), but still….38 is a lot of damn kids.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Yea. for realz
That is basically 2 years worth of kids.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
"You're going to have an opportunity to contribute as a freshman."
“But coach, aren’t you signing 8 other WRs?”
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Proof that oversigning isn’t always an advantage though.
blackjackfishtaco - February 1, 2012
It helps that Nutt cannot coach his way out of a paper bag.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Interesting visual
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
FTFY.
It helps that Nutt cannot coach his way out of a sac.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Only greyshirting done outside the SEC is ok.
Or so it would appear.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
No. Only greyshirting where the scholarship never materializes
is bad. Didn’t LSU do this recently? Clearly Ole Miss and Arkansas have.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
I actually think LSU screwed a kid that was on scholarship already.
They didn’t renew.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Nope.
He was a freshman in 2010, unpacking in his dorm room when Miles sent for him and told him that they had no room. SEC ethics, they’re FANtastic.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Linky?
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Here you go.
http://digbatonrouge.com/article/gray-areas-2426/
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Thanks.
FWIW, that kid ended up on scholarship at Kentucky. He then transferred back to LSU.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
He's like an abused wife who always goes back to the abuser.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
Can't imagine Les Miles
looking that kid in the eye when he came back and told him he wanted to transfer to LSU. Maybe he didn’t. Maybe he just watched his tape from UK and determined that he’d improved and gained enough experience that he was a valuable football player, and that’s that, sign here.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
I agree that taking that avenue is shitty.
However, it’s not true that those kids that get screwed still don’t have scholarship offers (i.e. the kid that Saban just did this to took multiple official visits to other schools since he got screwed). Now, I am not saying that it makes it right…it doesn’t. I’m just saying that if you are going to rail against a practice, you have to be accurate.
I do agree that the way Saban (and Miles too) handled this situation (and others) is definitely garbage.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Agreed.
In cases where a kid has no other offers, I don’t have a problem with it. If he can’t afford to go to school and it’s his 1 and only chance, that’s fine. I do think that there should be a way that it is guaranteed so that it can’t get pulled.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
I have no problem about folks complaining about oversigning.
The SEC was clearly permitted to abuse the policy. However, the rules in place at present really do not permit the same abuse. Now, people are just whining for the sake of whining.
FTR, the only thing I ever thought was good about the practice is it provided some individuals an opportunity to go to college that would never have had such an opportunity otherwise. SEC schools are now far less willing to take a chance on a perceived academic risk than they were before.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Rules in the SEC
Yeah…..again you have a tough sell here. Good luck.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
I don't really need to sell it.
It’s a fact. South Carolina had to turn kids away this week b/c we were full at 25.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
doesnt 25 a year make 100?
how is that not oversigning?
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Is there any conference limited to 85 schollies (including signees) on signing day?
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
my understanding
is that penn state only had 18 scholarships this year because thats what would put them at 85. they could have up to 88 if they wanted on signing day but had to get to 85 by season
the way i read what you say, if Penn State were in the SEC they could still sign 25 guys and have 92 players. which would be oversigning. If Alabama only had 13 scholarships available, they could sign 25 and then cut 12 before the season started. Its still oversigning
a step in the right direction, but more like stopping a leak with a bandaid.
If Im reading that wrong let me know but thats the way i am understanding what you are saying.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
So in theory
PSU could be at 88 and get down to 85 for the season…and South Carolina can be at 92 and get down to 85 for the season. Both can “oversign,” but the SEC school has more wiggle room with the numbers.
I think that’s accurate. RIght?
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
i think so
the 88 thing i hadnt heard until recently for the big ten.
But yea that would be how i understand it now
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Big Ten schools are allowed to oversign by 3
but they have to report it to the Big Ten and explain why they did so.
The Big Ten also began offering 4 year scholarships today.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
It seems like a small difference
But in one case, you sign everyone first, then figure out who gets to be on scholarship sometime over the summer. In the other, you have to kind of factor in how you’re going to get to 85 before you even make the 3 offers. If you have some evidence that there will be a transfer or two or that a kid that graduated will forego his RS SR season, then you know where you’ll be.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
You might not need to
but you clearly are trying. Have fun with that.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
It will be interesting to see how good the SEC is
when they have to play by the same (or at least similar) rules as the other BCS conferences. They still have inherent advantages in tradition, willingness to pay for players and local talent, but the inability to grab 30+ players will certainly have an impact.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
I'm VERY curious to see what kind of roster gymnastics result from four year scholarships
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
Urban is such a great guy though!
Yeah….
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Cincinnati just signed a DB named Leviticus Payne
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
seriously?
Why did I Graduate? - February 1, 2012
Yep
And Syracuse is getting a DE named Poncho Barnwell.
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
Without Norfleet's de commit
Cinci had 33 commits the other day? He was one of the few 4 stars.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Iowa just got one from a guy named "Beathard."
That’s going to be tough to top.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
so we'll be listening to "beathard with the tough one handed grab"?
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Is he a DB?
Will he match up against Kuntz?
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Shoulda gone to Mich. State
so he and Cox could sit next to each other on the bench.
cs93 - February 1, 2012
"Bobby Beathard"
Anybody ever heard of Bobby Beathard? If not, look him up. Good college QB. GREAT pro GM!! There’s a lot of history in that name in football.
bluehenfan73 - February 1, 2012
Give Junny a break
Bobby’s done nothing but catch waves at Swami’s in Junny’s life time.
Oh and Junny, FYI, It’s pronounced Beth-erd not beet- hard
Frank O'Brien - February 1, 2012
If your last name was Beathard you'd tell people it's pronounced Beth-erd too
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
good point
Frank O'Brien - February 1, 2012
Unless your one hand
was obviously larger than the other and heavily calloused
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
Nice that his last name wasn't "Numbers"
(Is Adam Shell still around?)
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Dudeuteronomy would be better
jman07 - February 1, 2012
hahaha that's the best typo I've ever had
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Rec for you.
That was inspired, either divinely or by you, 07.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Didn't you see the memo
Deuteronomy was his Mother’s maiden name.
Man, if he had just signed with coach…Dana Bible!
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
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Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
He was headed to Michigan, but had academic issues
ckmneon - February 1, 2012
4 year offers?
Apologies if this has already been asked and answered or already common knowledge (or PSU’s practice) -
Is Penn State signing/giving a 4 year commitment to these kids, instead of 1 year scholarships that are renewed each year, as recently suggested by the conference? I saw something yesterday that several of the Big Ten schools, including OSU, were moving to this practice.
dwlion - February 1, 2012
I have to dig deeper, as I'm seeing more chatter on this today.
But my understanding is that the B1G could give four-year ’ships, not that they were required to.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Here's one article:
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2012/01/big_ten_offering_recruits_secu.html
If OSU! is doing this, I would expect us to?
dwlion - February 1, 2012
When's the last time PSU football did not renew a scholarship for all four years?
Frank O'Brien - February 1, 2012
100% agree
You’re right, PSU doing this would be a formality for publicity sake alone when in practice they’ve never had a problem committing to a kid and historically have gone the extra mile in helping kids who’s careers are over due to injury.
dwlion - February 1, 2012
Is there any "fine print" in these 4 year offers?
I just can’t see a school willingly make 4 year commitments to more than a few players/class with the risk of injury. While it’s less of a concern at Penn State as we honor our commitments, I think it’s a bigger gamble for schools that place winning at all costs as a first priority.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
"Unspecified violation of team rules" will be an out clause
dwlion - February 1, 2012
The cynic in me says it’s a lot of window dressing. If Urban wants your scholarship back he’ll find a way to get rid of you.
Frank O'Brien - February 1, 2012
I’m a cynic too.
For OSU it’s a: “Look at us we’re doing the right thing!” (and then a junior backup loses his scholly for a “violation of team rules”)
For most everyone else: “Why the formality? We recruited these kids expecting they’ll be here for 4 years, some 5.”
dwlion - February 1, 2012
i just saw spence sent in his LOI to OSU
and it made me mad. I dont know why. It just did.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I wouldn't mind his career ending up
a lot like the state championship game.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Right there with you.
Grrrr…
LoggingLion - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I think b/c his family stressed the "values" aspect,
and then he committed to a school that demonstrably failed to meet NCAA “values”. Yeah, I know our situation isn’t pristine, but despite the NCAA mumbling about an investigation of us, our football scenario is better. At least we can go to a bowl game, if the season turns out decent-to-great.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Well,
Ohio State could sell “we have that behind us and it won’t happen again” story. And they went and hired a “killer” coach and recruiter. They have a top 5 class. Spence (and family) can go there and really feel like they will hve a great chance to win the NC while he is there.
It’s business. Not personal.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
FTFY
Ohio State could sell "
we have that behind us and it won’t happenjust wait until the investigators leave and all the hubbub dies down, in a year or so we can get you the hookup again" storyjman07 - February 1, 2012
LOL!
“Be sure to visit our new and improved tat parlor. Bigger, better, cheaper than before!!”
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
eh
I say good riddance to Spence….anyone who chooses to$u over us when in the running makes me think he wouldn’t have worked out here anyway (kind of like that whole tp situation)
va2pennstate - February 1, 2012
don't know about this logic
but agree we should say good riddance.
Why did I Graduate? - February 1, 2012
from what i recall he wasnt even remotely interested in OSU
until the scandal and Urban came calling. He probably had a dream that god told him Noah Spence would play for him. Also, PSU is too country, and OSU is so far from that even their coach is Urban.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Noah Spence is not Terrelle Pryor
Can we stop?
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
dont know that i said that at all anywhere
i will not stop being upset at seeing noah spence in an OSU uniform, especially since i dont think that would be the case if there was no scandal. I saw it on twitter and it made me mad. thats all
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
The "ewwww" comment
was pretty stupid.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
he did not like the scandal
dont blame him for that. and if he went somewhere else like UVA or something id probably be ok. But OSU. If you think PSU is eww, wait till you get there.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I just wish he would have given BO'B a chance.
Which is really my only problem with O’Conner, Williams, and Reeves decommitting. At least meet with the new guys and hear them out before you leave.
DrewRusse - February 1, 2012
yea
especially since 3 were on defense, and half the defensive staff was returning, so you knew what you were getting. Even moreso Williams and Spence. Oh well. Next year will be interesting to see how well they do. Im far more excited for this time next year.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I don't get Williams at all.
Vandy stayed on staff. Fine, you’re a bit butt hurt Kenney got let go, but seriously? Do you follow the NFL at all? Vandy got Josh Freaking Hull onto a NFL roster, and nearly got Chris “Yards after Contact” Colasanti a roster spot.
He’s directly responsible for Lee and Bowman, who absolutely lit up the NFL this year. I don’t care what Meyer said to you, you are absolutely retarded for backing out of a commitment with Vanderlinden still on staff.
mvrck - February 1, 2012
Say what you will about Vandy
but he can’t teach pile-jumping like Fickell can.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
its interesting, its like Cam Williams said
when Fickell was head coach “I can NOT play for Luke Fickell” and then when Urban got hired he was all “I can totally play for Luke Fickell”
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I chalk it up to most 18 year olds being stupid.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
They're not stupid
Just impressionable. Sometimes it’s “flavor of the onth”.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Stupid, impressionable
depending on the context can mean the same thing.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
If you squint, some of these kids look like
Brad Pitt’s brother, Stew.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Also
I think people are underrating the “we can win a national title!” aspect of recruiting. In a bubble, of course you’d rather be under the tutelage of Vandy, but with the recruiting momentum and excitement around Urban so fresh, a lot of people think OSU can have title aspirations in 3-4 years. Sometimes that appeals to certain players more than whatever difference in the quality of education, culture, or ability to prepare for the NFL. I get it, but it still sucks when the recruiting run is away instead of towards your school.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
I put the odds...
of Meyer still coaching there 4 years from now at 50/50.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
Sorry
didn’t mean to necessarily compare tp to NS, just saying the last guy that we wanted bad and went to to$u instead…I think we all agree we came out okay in that…that was all…but yea…let’s stick to the guys we have and make them better…
Plus let’s see Brenneman come on board next year and burn Williams on a post route over the middle in BOB’s offense, that’ll be sweet!
va2pennstate - February 1, 2012
Breneman
Can’t think of a better selling point for a coach than, “We just threw 17 touchdowns to Rob Gronkowski when he wasn’t busy nailing porn stars. Just saying.”
kflintosh - February 1, 2012
on one ankle
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Give 'ol Urbz his due
he also flipped Decker from ND and probably will get Dodson from Wisky.
He may be slimy to us, but he’s worth $5 mil to OSU football.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Good thing we pay our coach
$950k.
Crud.
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
We have to prove
that PSU isn’t about football and that is’s not important, remember?
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Right.
Instead of paying for a “name brand” coach, we went for the store brand, and with the money we’ll be saving we can pay a PR firm a huge salary to continue crapping the bed.
Fun times, fun times!
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
We have already fired the PR firm!
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
I think our coaching searches just go like this
We drive to Boston, yell out “Hey, who here wants to coach at Penn State for far less than your colleagues?!?”
Whoever is first in line then gets the job.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
To be fair...
No “name brand” coach was taking this job.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
not at 950K a year thats for sure
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Honestly...
Not for any amount of money. First, any name brand coach is already at a school that could match whatever we would throw at him. Second, a proven coach in a good situation is not going to leave to take the regins of a program in the midst of an epic disaster.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Richt was our biggest/best shot.
If it’s true that his wife talked him out of it, I think she’s going to regret it in 2-3 years. Their fan base is absolutely batshit crazy. They were calling for his head before the SEC championship game. I give him 2 more years there before pressure for not winning enough forces him out.
Unless of course he surprised everyone and wins a national championship next year.
mvrck - February 1, 2012
maybe maybe not
first depends on what you consider a brand name coach. second, id think you could throw money at a coach and get him to come no matter the circumstances. See Urban Meyer, Lane Kiffin, et al.
Its semantics, i dont care, I like that we dont just pay off our problems, and im pleased with BOB. But some egos can be had with the right paycheck, i dont care whats happening at the school.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
You might not be wrong
But to parade in this argument now is pretty cheap. Nobody knows what happened behind the scenes. That it ended up being a store brand hire doesn’t necessarily mean that that was our only choice. I just don’t like it when anyone other than Davy Joyner says “no name brand coach was taking this job” like they understand everything that went on behind the scenes.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
It may only be 9am...
but I’d much rather be sitting in a bar watching this on tv with a cold one in my hand. Sitting here waiting for a customer to come in is getting to me.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Well wait til a customer comes in
and have a beer with them. If it’s business, it’s ok, right?
jman07 - February 1, 2012
wow if only....
smh244 - February 1, 2012
I would prefer this to pretty much anything im doing at any time. I dont even care whats ON the TV.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Nyeem Wartman and Malik Golden are official.
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
I like these two a lot.
But then again I know nothing. I hope Wartman makes good on his promise to kick OSU ass though.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Newsome.
Just saw that he transferred to Temple, so there’s a good chance we will be facing him this fall.
Swiggs - February 1, 2012
Sucks for him. Temple is a pile of shit.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
I like Newsome as a kid...
but his football performance here kinda fit your description of Temple.
I hope he does well in up the MAC. Good luck, Kevin.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
I don't blame him
If Addazio gave Chester Stewart playing time, there’s no reason Newsome can’t get some meaningful snaps.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
K New could always run well.
Just had a very “funky” throwing motion. But Tebow got a long way with bad throwing technique.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
And they're going to beat us this year
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
juh?
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
this gets said every year
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I don't have high hopes for this season tbh
Temple nearly beat us last year and if our QB situation doesn’t improve, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Temple beat us.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
Pierce is gone
I’m not worried about Temple.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
their top defenders are gone too, IIRC
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
And Golden is gone!
Would be very embarrasing to lose to them.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Was not aware that Pierce left
Still, Temple is far better now than they were 6 years ago. I don’t think they’re a patsy to be ignored anymore.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
I agree
but for some reason I am still more worried about Navy and UVA
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
not saying your wrong
but id be shocked if they come into beaver stadium and won. this year or any year
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
cool
good for temple.
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
If you can't
MAC it, WAC it.
jp_irons - February 1, 2012
Not gonna lie, I expected to have 18/19 "YES"es written by now.
Oh well, guess some kids aren’t in a rush.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Wendy is in
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Welcome Wendy
glad to see him here.
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
Looks the part!
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
My new favorite
I love the guy based on his named alone.
kflintosh - February 1, 2012
Evan Schwan is in
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
Schwan dive
into the Penn State pool. Welcome!
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Bam Bradley to Pitt.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
Is that
“Bam! Bradley to Pitt.” As in Tom Bradley? Or is it a player named Bam Bradley who signed with Pitt?
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
That would be a player named Bam Bradley
The other option would be sad.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
Thats what I was hoping
Bradley at Pitt would make me seriously worry about our recruiting.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Maybe it was a motivational thing, but Bradley wasn't exactly cleaning up in his territory lately.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
I agree.
I think his reputation as a recruiter was bigger than the reality of it. It seemed like all the kids loved the guy, but just not enough to commit to him. And the whole texting with TP all the time, even after he was at OSU seemed not only weird to me, but a waste of time.
TB brought a lot of good recruits to PSU, but he whiffed on an awful lot of big ones when you stop and think about it.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Yup.
Count the number of western PA kids of three-star caliber or higher in the past 10 years. Not as high as you’d think.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
I think a lot of the super recruiter rep came from the Pgh media.
And they bestowed it on him because he would beat Pitt for a good many WPIAL recruits. But beating out Pitt is usually like a good AAAA high school team beating a good AA team.
And Pitt isn’t really even the main competition for the top WPIAL kids most of the time anymore. For a while now it’s been OSU and to a lesser extent Michigan. And TB did not fare as well against them.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Revisionist history...
pennst92 - February 1, 2012
He's a safety
and a good looking prospect.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
You know
Pitt always seems to “clean up” on signing day. Probably will get Rippy, too.
They’ll vault to like top 25 recruiting and we’ll be at 49 or so. Such is life.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Rippy and Shell both signed with Pitt.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
And then we flip places during the season.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
FTFY.
duringmidway through the season.PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Hey 84
Sorry to change the subject but did I see somewhere on here that you were Special Forces trained?
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
SF did what they could to train me, MB,
but it was difficult, even for them.
Yes, I was with the 7th Group (active duty) and later with the 20th (Maryland NG).
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Very Cool 84
First off, thanks for your service. Secondly, my brother was Army SF. He was in from 84-94 and, sorry, not exactly sure who he was attached to. Lots of great stories though.
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
You're welcome, MB.
I got off active duty in 1980, so probably wouldn’t have met your brother. But, there is a game SF guys play that involves throwing out names of other SF troopers until there is a match. It’s usually five names or less — VERY small community.
Has he joined the Special Forces Association? He should, as SFA is still very connected and involved with the active duty guys. I’m actually still in the Baghdad chapter, although attending meetings has been problematic. LOL!
Do you know what MOS he was? I was a weapons specialist (18B).
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
No problem 84
you deserve all the praise you can get, considering what you guys do. I’ll ask my brother about SFA. He graduated from OCS then did Ranger and SF training. He was in the Gulf for the first throwdown with Saddam. Also think he spent a lot of time in Central and South America. Seems to know that the guys who actually killed Pablo Escobar weren’t in the picture!
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
SF was truly the best experience in my life,
aside from family. When faced with something, my number one checkpoint is, “What would SF have done?”
Your comment about Escobar reminds me of how the Marines get credit for liberating Kuwait City in 1991. If you looked closely at the news reels, there were a few non-Arab faces in the crowd, cheering the arrival of the “liberators”.
Lots of our military units doing great things, but SF is truly involved in many, many places around the world. Thankfully, many of those places do not make the front page — in large part because the SF guys are there, putting out small fires before they turn into big ones.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Excellent points
My brother always said he looked forward to the day when what he actually did becomes declassified so we can sit down with some beers and talk about what he was really up to all those years! 84, have you read the book “The Heart and the Fist”? Excellent book by a former SEAL who argues for SF involvement around the world from a humanitarian perspective. Fascinating stuff.
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
Have not read that one.
Enjoyed “Masters of Chaos” among others.
We used to describe ourselves as the Peace Corps — with weapons . . . .
It still amazes me that 12 guys (sometimes less) can go into an area of unrest, and many times work things out so the conventional military doesn’t have to expend its blood/sweat/tears. Not a huge JFK fan, except for the Peace Corps and his encouragement of SF, but I believe had he lived there would not be 58,000 names on a memorial wall. He would have stuck with the SF model a lot longer, imo.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Master of Chaos was excellent
Think you’d appreciate “The Heart and the Fist” the author, honors grad from Duke and Rhodes scholar, did humanitarian work prior to joining the Navy. His contention is that a well placed SF group could have stopped the Rwandan catastrophe and others like it. Peace Corps with weapons is exactly his contention. I agree with your point about Vietnam as well. One of my med school classmates was a special forces trooper over there. Man, did he have some stories to tell.
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
Being in SF in the late 70's,
there were a bunch of guys with heavy SE Asia experience. We were told in Training Group, “We are giving you the basics; the real lessons will be learned once you get on the teams.” TRUE STATEMENT.
The Groups are expanding. They’ve added a fourth battalion to every group, and the graduating classes are huge — seems like a couple hundred guys in every cycle. Don’t get me wrong: The training is a lot tougher and longer than in my day. It’s just seeing a picture of a graduating class that large boggles my mind.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
So
if you increase the size of the special forces, are they no longer “special”? Is size an enemy of eliteness in this respect?
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
smaller = more elite? TWSS?
BMAN13 - February 1, 2012
More like
TWHS when talking to her.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Size is a function of the available pool.
Given the population of the US and the targeted age group for Special Forces (around 24 – 34 for noobs — SF likes guys with some service in other units, but then Selection is brutal on guys more older than mid-30’s), Special Forces can increase without changing the selection criteria. But, there comes a point where pressure to expand more can stress those selection criteria, with potential impact on the end-product.
Again, I don’t think we are at that point yet — just offering my opinion as to how SF could become “Better than most, but not special” Forces.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
as HC?
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
opps forgot the font
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
It seems very few of us follow national recruiting
because I thought you meant Tom Bradley as well
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
Hey, that's why we're here to help today.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
just glad you didn't mean Tom Bradley
I want him to go anywhere but Pitt and O$U.
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
I love Scrap,
but the further away from us/B1G territory, the better. He IS a good recruiter and great coach, and I don’t want our FNG coaches having to compete with him.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
I'm fully in the "thanks for sticking with us" stage right now.
Let’s just get these kids coached up and the ones we got acquainted with the new system, and move on.
And of course, let’s steal all of Ohio State’s recruits for next year.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
Honestly, I'm not too upset with the class
All things considered, we’re lucky we didn’t get a bunch of MAC/WAC level recruits.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
It's what I've been saying for the past couple of days, actually.
This is going to be the ONE class where the virtual bottom fell out. One 5-star-less class will not destroy the team.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
I can agree with this.
And it’ll be interesting to see how many scholarships free up for next year. I think there are only 14 or so in the senior class, but there are going to be a lot of players who either move on with life, don’t like the new coaching staff, etc. Hopefully BOB and staff get a chance to make a run at a class with 20 new players.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
Rec'd
Absolutely. These kids, especially the vocal ones like Wartman, will have my support no matter how many of them make the Morellis of the world look like superstars.
kflintosh - February 1, 2012
Needs more flamboyant announcing
Where’s some kid pulling out a baby nittany lion cub to show his intent? Shaving our logo into his hair, then pulling off the OSU hat he just put on? Where’s a recruit (let’s say his nickname is Ice Cube) pointing to a blimp that says “ICE CUBE IS A NITTANY LION”?
Faxes are so boring.
Truck O'Saurus - February 1, 2012 via Android app
I cant wait to see Steven Bench slinging TD passes
in the near future.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
With Keith Jackson saying,
“Bench threw that one so hard his receiver picked up a splinter!”
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Wait, Soul Train's Don Cornelius committed suicide?
How am I supposed to concentrate on work now?
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
Finally, some bad news.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
There's more soul on this train then Don Cornelius.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
Don Cornelius did not have to die!
Seriously, thanks for making today even worse.
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
CNN's bangin' three sentence article includes this piece of in depth research
“Cornelius created a pilot for “Soul Train” using $400 of his own money, according to the website biography.com."
PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
Wow. "We'll be right back."
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Seven letters to go.
Though Jonathan Warner technically isn’t eligible to sign for another six minutes.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
I really hoping Warner turns out like Norwood
Norwood was a 1 star recruit, given a scholarship because of legacy, and put up great numbers. Hopefully, Warner will do the same.
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
speaking of grey shirting.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
This is all moving so fast....
How can I shop for a new bike on ebay while you all are commenting like its the lightning round?
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Z key
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
I forgot the sarcasm font again. sorry
smh244 - February 1, 2012
So by "bike" you meant "prostitute"?
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Leave Craig James out of this
jman07 - February 1, 2012
I neither stated nor implied that smh would kill the hooker.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
i wouldn't kill a hooker
at least not while sober…and it doesn’t count if your in vegas either right?
smh244 - February 1, 2012
And isn't proper protocol
that she isn’t a hooker until she is dead?
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Archer
She’s a call girl when she’s alive, a hooker when she’s dead.
kflintosh - February 1, 2012
i have so much to learn
is there a rule book? “The Craig James Guide To Hooker Killing” or “How I got away with it”
smh244 - February 1, 2012
FTFY.
“How I got away with it — FIVE times."
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
I think he got away with it more than five times.
There’s just five that we’re aware of.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
The investigation was handled by ESPN.
Nuff said about how they blew that one, too.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
30 Rock line
“The executive dining room…we used to hold retirement parties here. The balconies below are probably still littered with hooker bones.”
PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
Anyone else a little bitter?
OSU is caught cheating and has their schollies reduced and is pulling in a big class. The U has a giant bomb drop on them with a scandal involving rogue boosters palling around the football team and they are having a big time class, and here were are watching all our top targets go somewhere else after our issues.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Very bitter, here.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
i dont want to say im bitter, but this is my face right now:
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Whoa, back off, Swiggy!
You’re scaring the children . . . .
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Timing is huge
OSU got theirs last year AFTER NSD and then picked up a new coach this year, long enough BEFORE NSD to make a raid on everyone’s recruits.
In a way, it’s like both schools that use the word “the” ridiculously have been able to fully “re-brand” between their scandal and NSD, while we seemed to have just brought in a new CEO and announced a new advertising campaign.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
And,
Meyer didn’t have to prepare the team for a bowl game. Fickle did that. Meyer could spend big chenks of his OSU time on recruiting.
So, timing is very big. Just look at Rutgers. Had Schiano’s move happened a month earlier, possibly, there would have been more action on their recruits. With less than a week and really without the benefit of the final visit weekend, not much activity. Keeping Flood also helped, but it appears that wasn’t the first choice.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
I don't think I'm ever not going to be bitter after all of this.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
Me either
Bitter forever, regardless
pmm156 - February 1, 2012
Eh, it's ****ed up, but I'm not bitter.
It was kind of expected after what happened.
Now let’s see if they can beat us with their shiny new top 10 class.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
Annoyed by Miami and OSU
But let’s not pretend our scandal wasn’t worse than theirs. Their scandals were just confirmation of what everyone suspected about their programs, ours may have been the worst scandal in sports history at a place people didn’t expect it. AND we did a terrible job responding to it. Of COURSE we lost out more than they did.
wjh150 - February 1, 2012
This is spot on.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
They were football issues
directly resulting in an advantage to on-field performance. The Sandusky Scandal was worse, but had nothing to do with onfield performance. Int hes cale of humanity, what Sandusky is accussed of doing is worse. In regards to on field issues and the NCAA what happened at Miami and OSU is much worse.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
No disrespect to the victims
and not a supporter of child abuse (obligatory preamble), but Sandusky is accused, not yet found guilty and sentenced. The court of public opinion (inflamed by the MSM) has judged him, and us, prematurely.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Only child molesters respect constitutional due process
The rest of ’merica has embraced the future of vigilantism!
PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
Horray for Charles Bronson!
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
No Dice! This.. Isnt.. Ovah!
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
You say this in jest
but this is the exact reason why we lost our recruits.
To people, cheating to get ahead is less important that the (perceived) welfare of a child.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
Totally agree
and I think the NCAA should stay out of our scandal. But our scandal shook the foundations of Penn State and its football program, creating tons of uncertainty, including the coaching. Just a totally different scale than at Miami and OSU, where their scandals were bumps in the road.
wjh150 - February 1, 2012
Fixed.
“at Miami and OSU, where their scandals were
bumps in the roadjust another Tuesday.”Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
I'm still not buying that it's OUR scandal.
It’s a Jerry Sandusky/2nd Mile Scandal that the AG and media dumped on our heads.
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
Unfortunately, we don't get to make that call.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
I hate to break it to you, but it is OUR scandal.
Both in perception and civil liability.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
You're sure about the latter?
I’m not.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Yes.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Care to elaborate?
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
It doesn't have anything to do with South Carolina
so you don’t have to worry.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Except for that J.D. I earned at PSU.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
And that means what, exactly?
It is clear where your loyalties lie. Again, man up about it.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
There's no doubt that my number 1 loyalties are to South Carolina.
But, I am a Pennsylvania native and PSU graduate/booster, so I have quite a bit of loyalty there. The only instance where it would be an issue is if South Carolina played Penn State.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I haven't seen you post anything positive about PSU
except in a round about way being pissed that they stole your strength coach.
And I am sorry but I have no patience for people who don’t see it as a Sandusky/Second Mile scandal because, that is what it is.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
What are you talking about?
And your opinion about the scandal is just that…an opinion. Opinions differ. Also, as an attorney, I have a tendency to examine things from a legal perspective…and I can promise you that the university will be writing checks to a victim(s).
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
You presented your opinion as fact earlier
so now i do so with mine.
PSU might have to write a check, doesn’t really mean anything to the discussion at all. Just means they wrote a check because they wanted to make something go away or were told to.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
I was asked if I was sure...
I responded in the affirmative. I have a legal basis for my determination, it’s not simply my personal, emotional opinion.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
The main (only)
reason that PSU will write any check(s) is because it is much easier to write a check than to go through legal trials.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
And because the university does not want this in front of a jury.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I feel like the civil trial would be the same
as the parts of the criminal grand jury and prelims surrounding victim 2 and the perjury charges. I feel like nothing very new will come out, but we might get to hear more from Schultz re:why in the actual fuck he didn’t do anything more. But you’re right, I’d imagine a few hundred thousand is the price Penn State would willingly pay just to keep it out of the news, regardless of what info they’d expect to come out. I mean they already paid a PR firm that much to do nothing…
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Yup.100% truf
jman07 - February 1, 2012
thats also if these kids sue
anonymity may be more important than a pay day to some.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
They'll lose that anonymity during the criminal trial.
I think it’s likely that most of them will sue, especially once one of them is able to do so successfully.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
Suing is a way of life in America...
I won’t be surprised to see numerous lawsuits.
How many actually have a legit case against PSU?
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
Any child abused (allegedly) on campus or after the PSU administration was notified (allegedly) will likely file suit.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
yes likely
but not a given. Ive seen it before where no suit came out of it for many different reasons including anonymity, not wanting to rehash it, etc.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I was refering to this post you made earlier:
“I hate to break it to you, but it is OUR scandal. Both in perception and civil liability.”
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
You don’t think perception is that it is our scandal? I am not saying that perception is right, but that is the perception of everyone outside of the Penn State family that I have met. Has your experience been different?
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
How does the University insurance play into this?
I was under the impression PSU wouldn’t be writing checks, but the insurance company would.
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
I think you're being way too hard on Uhaul
he’s been a poster on here for quite some time, and while I don’t always agree with him, he definitely is a Penn Stater, and a Penn State fan.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
My guardian angel.
:)
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I'm there for you, buddy
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
You have a different definition than I do.
Not that there is anything wrong with that, or with differing positions.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
FB6244 believes you have to fall all over the university in every respect to be a a Penn Stater.
You should probably tell the university to return my donations, bro.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
If anyone is being ridiculous, it is that comment.
Because it is not true at all, niether are the two that followed you. BUt we hugged it out later so it’s all cool.
FB6244 - February 2, 2012
You're being ridiculous
being realistic about Penn State does not mean he hates the school. And guess what? No matter what you want to believe it is still partially a Penn State scandal because Curley/Schultz/Spanier appear to have dropped the ball when given an opportunity to put an end to it.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
I agree people at PSU dropped the ball
and should be punished. There were many many others who did too. But it is not a “PSU” scandal, it is deeper then that. PSU had a small role in it.
You are being ridiculous. Neener neener.
FB6244 - February 2, 2012
Neener neener is might be the best thing to ever grace these hallowed pages.
Uhaul - February 2, 2012
There is nothing wrong with differing positions
but there is with mischaracterizing someone with a different position than yours. Even though it is on the internet.
I think above all else in these times we should attempt to refrain from attacking within, especially people who aren’t rehashing their same position on the same topics for months but merely stating differing opinions on a recent topic.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
He said USC was his first school.
I wouldn’t call that being a “true penn stater” but whatever. All are welcome.
FB6244 - February 2, 2012
Agree to disagree
just because you’re a fan of one school doesn’t mean you can’t also be a fan (and almunus) of a school that never plays the one school.
Cari Greene - February 2, 2012
As long as the PA AG thinks that
MM is the lynch pin to their case of putting JS behind bars you may be right about the liability. Nothing I can do about what other people choose to believe.
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
wait. they have those on ebay? i'm not on craigs list.
I just meant motorcycle……
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Also, for those who hadn't heard, today is 2/1/2012. Or...
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Only someone from Pittsburgh (or Canada) would know this
I was shocked when I finally left Pittsburgh and learned that Rush, George Thorogood and Steve Miller were not the most popular bands in the entire world. God damn DVE.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
You mean "God bless DVE"
And you left out AC/DC (can’t drive home without hearing at least one song) and Aerosmith’s “Dream On” (can’t go a full day without hearing that song).
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
These traits are endemic to every classic rock station.
The man on the street in Pittsburgh actually loves Rush, however.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
When I lived in Pittsburgh
I just assumed every alarm clock was pre-programmed to play The Who’s “Eminence Front” at wake-up time.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
That was just a put on
BMAN13 - February 1, 2012
Good one!
Rec for you.
No lie… before 100.7 went pop I heard “Mr. Blue Sky” every single morning at around 5:07 AM on my way to work. Good thing I like ELO and “Mr. Blue Sky”. But it was still weird.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
You know the old joke that if you just wait ten years, whatever is popular now in NY, SF or LA
will eventually make it to Pittsburgh? DVE is more responsible for that than any other person/entity in town. It’s not like the 70s treated Pittsburgh particularly well (beyond sports), so why the nostalgia for horrid music?
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
I couldn't even name you a Rush song
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
Rush Sucks
So does Styx. There, I said it.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
I endorse this message.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
I will start a Super PAC if you run for any office on this platform.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Styx is a great American rock band
And only got a bad rap because most critics are cynical assholes.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Styx is awesome
Rush does suck though.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I'm sorry, but Styx is the worst.
They sound more like a Broadway musical than a rock band.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
So does Queen
but you never hear anyone complaining about them for that reason?
Styx is awesome, and those who deny it are lying to look “cool”
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
Actually, I would put Queen in the same category as Styx.
They do have one decent song that I can think of, though: “Stone Cold Crazy”.
Styx just has some monumentally awful songs. “Come Sail Away”, “Babe”, “Mr. Roboto”… In my opinion, anyway (not that it really matters).
icavalera - February 1, 2012
Oh, you.
I was going to put all death metal in the next podcast in your honor, but then Joe Paterno died and, well…
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
I'm not just about metal (death or otherwise)...
but it does tend to dominate my playlists.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
Well, I'm going to keep pretending you do nothing but sit around and listen to metal.
So don’t go ruining that for me. Thanks.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
Besides.
I have this great song named “Defiled Autopsy Remnants” that should really fit in well for the next show.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
Is that a Cannibal Corpse song?
Sounds like a song title they would use.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
Sadly, no.
It’s from a band called Pathology, which I found on an Amazon sampler (seriously, everyone, Amazon has thousands of free albums, mostly record label samplers). This one was called “Metalhit”, I think. So I downloaded it and played each of the songs for my Ani Difranco loving wife and got responses such as “you don’t love me”, “why do you hate me?” and “do you know any really good divorce lawyers?”
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
I lived in the Buffalo area for a few years,
and you would have thought Ani Difranco was the second coming of the Beatles the way people carried on about her up there.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
Lol
Come Sail Away and Mr. Roboto are iconic classics, but w/e.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
You're entitled to your opinion but I am absolutely getting a restraining order against you.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Full disclosure:
I thought “Mr. Roboto” was an awesome song when I was a kid.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
Queen is awesome because they are good
Styx is bullshit. Mr. Roboto is crap. Renegade is their only good song. Come Sail Away is like fucking terrible and anyone who enjoys it deserves to be sent to Antarctica to live alone.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Eric Cartman's version of Come Sail Away is good
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Not as good as his version of Poker Face
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
And...
they wipe their own asses
Big Daddy…very underrated movie
Keith Platt - February 1, 2012
Mr Deeds was too
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
That's a given.
All of that 70s and 80s bullshit “prog-rock” is awful.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
YOU'RE AWFUL
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Rush is terrible.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
THIS POST IS TERRIBLE
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
doesn't make it false!
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
I love it when people argue about music.
It’s like arguing about what food you think tastes good. Here’s a clue: you can’t pick what music you like. If it hits your ear, and it sounds good, it sounds good. You have no choice in the matter.
DrewRusse - February 1, 2012
This is the internet...
you aren’t allowed to be reasonable.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
At least we can all agree
that Justin Bieber sucks.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
Careful now.
According to my 5-year old daughter, Justin Bieber is my future son-in-law.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
well that settles it
Justin Bieber is a pervert.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
And Joe Paterno should have done more to make you aware of that.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
Except for Styx
which sounds like fingernails across a chalkboard over a cat hacking up hairballs and wet duck farts.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
This
Not all tastes are reasonable, no matter what your kindergarten teacher told you.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Relevant
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
one word. scatophilia
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Agreed. I just like getting people riled up about it.
Probably because I’ve gotten a lot of grief over the years about my musical tastes.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
YOUR MOM
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
another Rush fan?
Its like that Simpsons’ episode when Milhouse meets the other Milhouse in Shelbyville
/Doves Cry, etc
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
I don't get the Rush hate
I think it’s mostly cuz the dude is weird looking
#UNDERSTATEMENT
hbeach08 - February 1, 2012
TRUTH
and his name is Geddy.
But he simultaneously plays bass, keys and sings
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
slappin da baaaaaass
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
great movie
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
hilarious
hbeach08 - February 1, 2012
Do you allow the divorce-ays into
your man cave?
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
His "real" name
…was Gary. His friends started calling him “Geddy” because his mom had a very thick Polish accent, and it just sounded like that. Even though I’m a drummer by profession, and theoretically required to worship at the alter of Rush (which I don’t), I’m surrounded at “work” by Rush fanatics of every degree. It’s a damn, dirty shame that I hide that tid-bit from my other drummer pals.
zipsmurd - February 1, 2012
is this kinda like sharing a name with Michael Bolton?
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Yes
…it most certainly is.
zipsmurd - February 1, 2012
No...
it’s because they are from Canada.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
No, it's because they suck.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
that too.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
I often feel like an apostate for not hating Canadians as a matter of course.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
YOU SUCK
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Amen, brother Ben. Rush and Styx Sutyx
I’d vote for you.
Dinsdale - February 1, 2012
The Sooooouuuuuuuuuuulll Train!
“You come on and run with us next week on these same stations and you can bet your last money, it’s gonna be a stone gas, honey. I’m Don Cornelius, and as always in parting, we wish you love, peace, and soul!”
LoggingLion - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Reason why I'm cautiously optimistic about the class
Penn State always turns lower-ranked guys into good-to-great contributors to the team, if not just good-to-great football players overall. We’ve had a ton lately
Paul Posluszny (3)
Daryll Clark (3)
Sean Lee (3)
Evan Royster (3)
Derek Moye (3)
D’Anton Lynn (3)
Tony Hunt (3)
Ollie Ogbu (3)
Curtis Dukes (3)
Sean Stanley (3)
Rich Ohrnberger (2)
Drew Astorino (2)
Stephfon Green (2)
Jordan Hill (2)
Jordan Norwood (not ranked by Rivals)
kflintosh - February 1, 2012
We used to
with the last coaching staff. We’ll see how this one does.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
I'm pretty optimisitc about this staff's talent development.
I don’t know why as I’m pretty pessimistic overall, but there’s something about the staff that was assembled that makes me think they know how to make the most out of their players.
It also helps that BO’B isn’t trying to force a system into place and will try to create a system based on our strengths and weaknesses. I think that will help greatly in terms of increasing the productivity we get out of the 2-3 star recruits. With LJ and Vandy anchoring our dominant positions, I think it’ll buy the other players and coaches a little more freedom to be creative.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
I'm not trying to be pessimistic with that
they might be twice as good as the last staff. We just dont know at this point, so you really cant use our old success to guarantee it in the future.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
True but we still have Vandy and LJ
And many of the lower rated recruits who turned into studs from from their positions.
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
I just read something about Urban & OSU
In an article in the Sporting News, Urban said he selected his ENTIRE staff based on their recruiting ability. He said," if you aren’t an outstanding recruiter you are not an asset to the staff & team". I am sure this is not the 1st time you’ll see this but it is scary how well he did with a team that is coming off I believe a 6-7 season, about to loose 3 scholarships for the next 3 seasons and cannot go bowling this season. What is he going to be like when he doesn’t have to worry about that ? Remember he had two #1 ranked classes and one # 2 ranked class while at Florida ( then won the nat’l championship shortly thereafter) . Ughhhh, BOB is going to have a very tough time.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
And he is used to recruiting in the SEC...
Which is an entirely different, far more cutthroat animal.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
You forgot lucrative
at least for the players.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
didnt he keep vrabel?
how does he know how good of a recruiter he is? hes been there less than a year
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
He has rings
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
thats nice
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I just don't get the SB rings thing.
That would not have impressed me in the least, even as a senior in high school. It’s not like the college is going to win the Super Bowl.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
I agree 100%
just saying that is probably why he kept him. That is all I hear on the O$U radio stations around here.
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
Except that for most of these kids,
they believe that the school is the conduit to the pros. I’m sure it conjures more or an emotional reaction than a rational one.
PSUinBOSSton - February 1, 2012
I agree.
But then again I wasn’t a guy people were telling me all the time I would make it to the pro’s and have phat rims and such, dog.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
I also was never told I'd make it to the pros, but I was promised phat rims more than once.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
WorldbPhat
LOL.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Shouldn't you be "WorldBPhat" then??
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
I never did get the rims...
I was misled and exploited.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Ok...
And I guess technically had you gotten them you’d be “WheelsBPhat”.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Ok...
No idea what happened above. Rest of post was:
And technically had you gotten them you’d then be “WheelsBPhat”.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Actually shows up right for me.
Anyway, I have no regrets. My car came with 18s from the factory, and they are phat enough for my adult tastes.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Ford ever fix that fuel tank issue
on your Pinto?
BOOM!
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
My Pinto is the wagon version so it was never a problem.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Hope it has the fake wood.
I always thought that was the ne plus ultra of automobile style.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
In all seriousness...
If they brought back the fake wood paneling and put it on a wagon with a stick shift, I would trade my car in today. And I like my car.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
You'd like them to bring back the Wagon Queen Family Truckster
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
I see those Dodge Magnums
or whatever that look like station wagons, and I think, "Somebody needs to visit the plastic forest, and slap some “wood” trim on those bad boys."
World, I’m driving a Hyundai Elantra right now, since my daily commute is 150 miles. Loving that 38-40 mpg.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Been considering one of those.
How do you like it, other than the MPG?
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
I've had it for not quite two years,
and still haven’t written a review at Edmunds. I keep waiting for it to either impress or depress me — it’s pretty neutral, which I think is good for a low-end vehicle. Mine is a 2010 — they sexed up the 2011’s, along the lines of the Sonata.
And I have the GLS, not the Limited. Still, plenty of great features that are options on other cars — ABS, traction control, XM radio, etc. I have about 58K miles on it, and have only changed the oil and tires. Will probably need brakes when I get it inspected in March.
Have driven it with wife and two teen-aged sons from/to North Carolina-Pennsylvania — no complaints as far as room or ride.
It will not give you whiplash, nor do I flog it — drive it at the speed limit to maximize the MPG. Only 148 HP, and that is near the top of the RPM’s. It’s not gutless, but I don’t pull in front of 18-wheelers flying down interstate 40.
E-mail me if you have other questions, Chris. I can talk about cars a bunch , . .
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Some time around 3 years ago
Hyundai went from “Everybody deserves to drive a well made car” that is just plain fugly to jeez, Hyundai must have hired some designers because their cars are actually desirable now.
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
Yeah, no stick though.
I drive a Mazdaspeed 3 because I love speeding tickets.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
There is a Magnum with faux wood
sides at one of my client’s. I’ll have to see if I can get a pic. It actually doesn’t look bad at all. That being said, I still prefer mine in understated charcoal. Looks like a Mennonite Mafiosa Mobile.
PSUGuru - February 1, 2012
Hmm strange
I always put real wood in my magnum
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
I'm so confused...
Champagne, sidearm, automobile, good Lord the tangential possibilities are endless…
PSUGuru - February 1, 2012
i am pulling for NE (shudder) and BOB
cause the rings cant hurt. But Greg Robinson had 2 SB rings and he couldnt recruit for shit at Syracuse. He also had no college success before that, which hurts.
The rings are a nice show for recruits, but it doesnt necessarily make you a great recruiter
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Simple
17 year olds that don’t know the difference between correlation and causation.
I have a ring = you’ll have a ring.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
I think things like rings matter to...
impressionable kids…And we have a plethora of rings in our coaching. Plus a lot of NFL experience. I am really pulling for the patriots. Superbowl ring trumps NCAA national champ ring. Especially when we have a ton of those on our coaches fingers also.
psuboy - February 1, 2012
rings only matter to frodo
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Dude
the ‘chance of a SB ring’ is all we have to hang our hat on these days.
Without the SB ring…. (shudders)
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
Seriously.
The Patriots better win on Sunday.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
I hate having to root for the Pats.
But at least I have experience.
/SBXXXIXtrollface
DrewRusse - February 1, 2012
Without the SB ring we're back at not knowing.
You know, just like how we don’t know we won’t win the 7 B1G titles.
We just don’t know.
misdreavus79 - February 1, 2012
That's great.
They can be good recruiters and hopefully very shitty coaches.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
It doesn't always matter
If you have a team loaded with 4 & 5 star recruits you can get away with not being a great X & O guy. Now, if your a great X & O guy AND your team is loaded with 4 & 5 star kids that is when the Nat’l Titles come in.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
This is partly Pitt's problem.
They always have a handful of excellent players, but I think their coaches have always been subpar and don’t coach up the 2 & 3 stars enough to make the team good.
Personally I hope they never get it together.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
DITTO
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
Not always
but we see several teams each year loaded with talent that end up shitting the bed. If I had my choice, I would rather OSU have good recruiters and bad caoches than the other way around.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
USC too
USC was always loaded with Carroll because there’s so much talent in SoCal and he got it all and they were always very good, but every year, it seemed, they’d get beat by somebody they shouldn’t have like Oregon State. That suggests that the staff was largely coasting on talent and wan’t preparing the team as well as it should have.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Outside of Texas 2005...
I would argue Carroll’s USC teams won every single big game they played. I don’t think they coasted on talent. I think it is hard to keep 18-22 yr olds focused week in and week out. It happens to every one except those rare teams that win them all.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
But they lost a number of "non-big games"
Coasted on talent might be a bit harsh, I’ll admit, but they got overconfident on more than a few occasions. Notre Dame used to do that in the Lou Holtz era too. It got to the point where seeing BC or some other random team) beat them wasn’t interesting anymore.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
see PSU...
Iowa 2008 as well.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
I have no idea what you're talking about
I have no memory of Penn State playing this “Iowa” team you speak of. I have no memory of swearing repeatedly in front of my friends’ three-year old while watching this game that never happened. I have no memory of any of that.
Still, in the 1980s and early 90s I can think of way more games where PSU upset somebody supposedly a lot better (Notre Dame a few times) than the other way around. Yeah, we lost to Toledo, etc, but in all of those cases, we really weren’t very good.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Minny 1999
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
That was different
Our offense genuinely sucked. We had struggled all year to get first downs when we needed to. Still, Minnesota needed a one in a million pass play to win that.
Besides, I wasn’t comparing PSU to USC. Why do you have to bring this shit up?
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
hahha.
I can pick other schools too that have lost to “inferior” teams.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
Hard to go 12-0/13-0/14-0 year in and year out.
The breaks aren’t going to go your way every single game. Carroll and his staff were very good at what they did. I think if there was a playoff system, they’d have more than one NC during the 2000’s
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
They were the best team in 2008.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
True
Agree with the playoff comment. But it wasn’t just a few bad breaks. They lost to vastly inferior teams for no particularly good reason.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
LIke when Florida...
lost at home in 2008 to Ole Miss?
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
Any given Saturday...
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
Has anyone ever actually woken up with a giant shit in their bed?
I haven’t had this happen to me yet, but I hear about it all the time and was wondering if it’s as bad as it sounds?
PSU Mudder - February 1, 2012
I had a room mate at
PSU who passed out while taking a dump on the john. He woke up long enough to puke in his pants before passing out again. Hours later he woke up disoriented and didn’t know what was going on or where he was. He stood pulled his pants up and was quite the mess.
I’m guessing it’s kind of like that.
BTW, I love reminding him about that story every time I talk to him.
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
My freshman roommate passed out in a stall on our floor
our first night at PSU. Knowing he was drunk, and not having seen him for 40 minutes, I went and checked on him. Saw his legs sticking out from underneath one of the stalls, so I pulled him out and got him back down to our room. He to this day will randomly thank me for helping him out there haha.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
I always thought it was a reference...
to that scene in Trainspotting.
Esteban d' Amur - February 1, 2012
Surprisingly
That was not the most cringe inducing scene in the movie
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
baby on the ceiling?
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Yes.
That scene freaks me out every time.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
Totally on board with you
The commits we get are on board with us. Lets not wallow in self pity and do it the Paterno way.
Support coaches and players because they deserve that from us.
psu-lioness - February 1, 2012
Sean Lee and Paul Poslunszny as both 3 stars is mind boggling to think about.
mvrck - February 1, 2012
I think you mean mind bottling
Like when your mind is trapped in a bottle
UPSUPhilly - February 1, 2012
I get your sentiment.
But some of those guys aren’t exactly world-beaters.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Junny, are you updating the chart
or is it static? I thought more than five guys had faxed in their letters.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
You have to refresh the page.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Any concern over Eugene Lewis?
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
Was just thinking that
our highest rated guy hasn’t committed; hopefully it’s something like he’s asleep or sick or something?
Maybe he’s like me and went to Buffalo Wild Wings for wing night last night and is struggling now…maybe
va2pennstate - February 1, 2012
I have 21-year-old and a 19-year-old sons.
Trying to get them out of bed sometimes is like milking a bull.
Not that I’ve ever tried to milk a bull . . . except for that one time in . . . uh, just forgeddaboutit!!
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Hey, this cow only has one udder!
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
it takes a while
but the milk is really thick and creamy once you finally get it.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
No.
Could just be a delay in getting to school, meeting with coach, etc.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
You best be right
crossing fingers
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
I'm from a town right by his
Knowing the area they are setting up a huge presser
HighFlyers - February 1, 2012
I'm supposed to be doing next year's budget --
and you want me to refresh the page?!?!?
/LOLZ
THX!
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
And I am doing billing
Looks like cash flow will suck in February.
PaJoe - February 1, 2012
I don't have to do billing,
but as a business manager in an operational environment, I handle just about everything else.
I actually enjoy putting together a budget — just today is a distraction.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
right there with you
I’ve got the owner of the company coming in and asking what i’m doing every twenty minutes or so. Ten locations and he never managers to come in here while i’m actually busy with real work.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
It's ALWAYS that way!
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Let's play the three-star game!
I don’t know how this is going to play out beforehand, btw. This is all according to Scout:
2005:
CB 40 Knowledge Timmons
LB 50 Sean Lee
CB 58 Willie Harriott
DT 60 Chris Baker
WR 73 James McDonald
OL 93 Dennis Landolt
2006:
QB 28 Brett Brackett
S 32 Cedric Jeffries
RB 39 Evan Royster
LB 49 Bani Gbadyu
S 69 Travis McBride
DT 84 Abe Koroma
RB NR Brent Carter
2007:
CB 38 Stephfon Green
DE 53 Kevion Latham
OG 54 Quinn Barham
DT 58 Chimaeze Okoli
CB 91 Drew Astorino
OT JC Ako Poti
OT JC Nerraw McCormack
2008:
DT 61 Pete Massaro
WR 149 A.J. Price
2009:
K 2 Anthony Fera
C 11 Ty Howle
DT 26 Sean Stanley
TE 41 Garry Gilliam
CB 47 Derrick Thomas
DT 49 Jordan Hill
CB 52 Stephon Morris
WR 53 Shawney Kersey
OT 54 Adam Gress
CB 59 Curtis Drake
S 68 Stephen Obeng-Agyapong
WR 77 Brandon Moseby-Felder
S 78 Malcolm Willis
OT 84 Nate Cadogan
WR 133 Devon Smith
The numbers are their national rankings at their position, back then.
So it’s pretty much what you’d expect. A few superstars, a lot of solid contributors, and good number of washouts. Mostly what you’d call the “glue” guys, but you can’t really compete for a Big Ten title with only them.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
For every success, we could name 3-4 players of a similar recruiting ilk that failed to develop.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Stars and talent is one thing
But the style has to fit into the system. Getting a bunch of 5 stars that we don’t know how to use (al-la Morelli) will do nothing for us. Let’s see how Meyer works out at OSU. We know he is a good coach, but will his style hold up in freezing tempatures? I have confindence in this class, and am thrilled they all seem to be exicted about being here. We couldn’t ask for much more.
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
Actually feel sorry for a lot of these kids
The recruiting process really sucks in a lot of ways. The lies these coaches tell kids are pretty amazing. I can only imagine what Meyer is telling recruits about Penn State. Two seasons ago my son took recruiting trips to a MAC school and an Ivy League school who each currently have one player in the NFL from those schools. However, “getting guys to the NFL” was a big part of the recruiting pitch. Most of these guys would put used car dealers to shame.
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
A couple of years ago my neighbor was fed a line of BS by Case Western Reserve!
And that’s a place where they truly are student-athletes and not the other way around. They blew what turned out to be smoke up his a** and of course he didn’t discover it until he got there and practice started. I was surprised that a place like that would pull that kind of crap, but if they’re doing it, imagine how much worse it is at the D1 level and especially at the factories like OSU.
He transferred to PSU after his freshman year (obviously not playing football) and is loving everything about college now.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Breezy, that's just funny
but right in line with my comment. My son’s playing D 3 ball now and his roommate just transferred because the coaches told him when they recruited him that he would be the starting QB as a freshmen. Of course, the coaches at the school he’s transferring to also told him he’ll be the starting QB even though their starter from last season is returning. Makes you wonder how these guys sleep at night.
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
Success
with Honorat ANY PricePSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Thats right
And I’m sure that Meyer is telling the kids who jumped from Penn State that OSUs sanctions have been dealt with and that he has reliable sources telling him that PSU is getting the death penalty. Wouldn’t surprise me even a little bit.
MB in MI - February 1, 2012
I still haven't watched Joe's memorial service
all the way through, so don’t know exactly what MRob said. But, from what I heard from the wife, he made the recruiting process sound pretty sleazy. That’s a sample of one, but from the anecdotes here, it sounds all messed up . . .
Glad I don’t have kids with superior athletic ability.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
You would much rather pay for their education?
I call bullshit. :)
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I'm paying for it now.
Older son graduates from Chapel Hill this spring; younger son is in community college and will probably be at East Carolina in a couple years.
Writing those checks is easier than dealing with congenital liars, imo.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
stilly paying for mine
and will be until 2032. Hoping my son (15 yrs old) at least takes the road i didn’t and goes military of some kind. My daughter is smarter than i was and might have a shot at an academic scholly. I think i’d deal with the recruiting nightmare if it paid for their educations.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Michael Robinson
basically said that he was recruiting by tons of schools, and openly admitted that some had offered him cars and money. He said almost every other school made him promises about playing time at quarterback, etc. etc.
What he loved about Joe is that he didn’t lie to him. He told him he obviously thought he was talented and had a lot of potential. He said he could compete for playing time as a freshman. He said he could compete to be the quarterback. It takes a certain type of recruit to be more attracted to that type of honesty than glitz and glamour. But if you’ve paid any attention to Michael Robinson since, say, 2004, you know he’s a pretty special guy.
Basically, the recruiting game is all about trust. And, probably rightfully, recruits don’t fully trust the coaches or schools that recruit them, and try to exploit the system to get the most they can for themselves. Most coaches obviously don’t trust the recruits, and either offer them things to entice them or intentionally mislead them to put them in a position where trust doesn’t matter anymore. The problem is that BOB doesn’t have kind of cachet to obtain that level of trust from Michael Robinson type recruits. He could come spitting the same game that Paterno did, and recruits will still be leery and maybe err on the side of whoever promises more. That sucks.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
FWIW, Meyer really is not known for his negative recruiting.
And that’s saying something considering that negative recruiting is a significant factor in SEC and ACC recruiting.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I was always under the impression that Meyer reveled in negative recruiting.
Especially with regards to Penn State.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
Not from what I know of SEC recruiting.
Is it possible something has changed? Sure. However, he was not known for it during his time at UF.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I seem to recall a few years ago
Him landing a recruit previously committed to PSU because he told the recruit that “PSU doesn’t take care of their black players”
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
I remember this rumor....
true or not its laughable, as evidenced by our black player grad rates.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
The higher grad rates just mean we don't care enough about them during practice.
Clearly, if we cared about our black players, they'd be leaving early for the NFL and wouldn't be around to graduate.Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
*
Meant to say clearly if we cared about our black players, they’d be leaving early for the NFL instead of having to stick around to graduate.
Still new at the sarcasm font thing.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
Kevin Newsome to Temple
Pretty good landing spot for a guy who was beat out by McGloin, Bolden, and Jones. Even more troubling is that the job was his and the coaches only turned to Bolden and McGloin because Newsome was that bad.
I’m having a hard time seeing him doing anything significant at Temple.
NittanyBlueHen - February 1, 2012
Is he going to miss a year due to transferring?
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
He sat out a year
So I dont know if that would count or not.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Eligible to Play in 2012
Due to sitting out last year.
DelawareLion - February 1, 2012
Eligible
2 years left as well.
DelawareLion - February 1, 2012
I dont think so...
What I read is that he’ll enroll in July after he graduates from PSU. I think he’ll be eligible to play right away due to the graduate program rule (loop hole).
Someone correct me if I’m wrong about this.
NittanyBlueHen - February 1, 2012
I never thought he was that bad
Admittidly he wasn’t great but watching Bolden and McGloin in last years bowl I didn’t see much difference. The good thing was that instead of throwing a pick or 5 rows into the stands he was able to leg out a few 1st downs.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
I was recently thinking the same thing.
At least Newsome could run. And I can’t imagine his passing being worse than Bolden’s. I almost think PSU may have been better off with him at qb.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
I kinda think he would ahve been atleast as good as belton/drake
was at running the wildcat. Ashame to see it didn’t work out for Newsome here becasue he seemed liek a good kid and student.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Freudian slip 'liek'
FB, you’ve been spending too much time with Mikey. Do you subconsciously wanna be liek m1ek?
PSUGuru - February 1, 2012
I always type it liek that when I am going too fast.
Good thing MS Word corrects it for me.
As to your assertion regarding our resident lunatic, that is a low blow!
FB6244 - February 2, 2012
I think he truly believes himself to be
a Pied Piper. As for your subconscious, only Lamont Cranston knows for sure!
PSUGuru - February 2, 2012
Oh crap
a Shadow reference. NICE!
FB6244 - February 2, 2012
Good for him
He’ll do well there I think
HighFlyers - February 1, 2012
Have you seen Temple's quarterbacks?
The system is definitely better for his skillset. If he can complete even a couple of passes, he’ll be given a chance to start. If Temple had a decent QB last year, they’d have probably only had 1 or 2 losses.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
I said it before, I'll say it again.
I’m happy for these kids. I would rather have a class full of 3- and 4-star recruits who want to be here than 4-and 5-stars recruit who might get this idea that they “could have had it better” if they had jumped the shark when “it” happened. Commitment, desire, and drive go much farther than raw talent when it comes to building true character.
Make us proud, boys. We believe in you.
WE ARE…
Bleed Blue PSU - February 1, 2012
I follow you, but
This isn’t a class of 3* and 4* recruits, it is a class of mainly 2/3* recruits and a lone solid 4*. Our normal classes are 3/4* guys who want to be here…
emccomb1 - February 1, 2012
i dunno
according to the chart up there 17 of our recruits are 3/4 star according to 247 and scout. Rivals is a little harder on them, but i dont think its entirely accurate to call this a class of mainly 2 and 3 star guys
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Jamil Pollard is in.
Also, if it wasn’t addressed above, PSU is one of the schools (along with Ohio State and NW, so far) offering four-year scholarships instead of one-year renewables.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
Ramzy Nazrallah from 11 Warriors
Just tweeted that, according to his math, the Buckeyes are out of scholarships to give and risk oversigning if more come in. If this does happen, what is the NCAA/B1G Ten protocol for dealing with this? Does anyone know? Do they invalidate the scholarship offer? Do they impose further sanctions?
LionInTheWeeds - February 1, 2012
they just find some dirt on a scholarship player they dont want
and dismiss him from the team
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
The third string punter will open his locker and find three kilos of weed in there
Urbs will just happen to be walking by. Scholly pulled. Problem solved.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
i laugh more at the idea of a 3rd string punter with a scholarship
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Hey, when you have 114 scholarships to give out even the trainers get one.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
true
enjoy that free education Ray Guy Jr. the Third. Youll need it. Also the free tats
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Well played
Tailgate Shogun - February 1, 2012
The NCAA steps in, and
temporarily assigns OSU to the SEC, so the oversigning can be ignored. They will transfer them back to the B1G in time for conference games.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Sounds like the NCAA '12 dynasty I'm in
But who cares, I just beat the LSU guy for the NC last night. WE ARE!
PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
Welcome to the new Big 10.
Nothing will happen to punish OSU. The rest of the conference will now adapt by becoming sleazier just to keep up. Urban is on his was to SEC-ing the Big 10.
The slippery slope has begun.
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
The language they're using is...
something like “there might be some transfers that haven’t been announced yet”. FWIW, that could me anything..from the literal interpretation…or they might have a handful of guys ready to dismiss if they need to
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
One of their beat guys just tweeted
…that there may be transfers pending that would allow OSU to sign more.
Chris Grovich - February 1, 2012
How convenient!
“Here are your coat and hat — what’s your hurry?”
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
on NCAA football on my PS3
I even feel like a scumbag cutting players I recruited before the season. Yet somehow these guys do it to actual humans without concern.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
To make things challenging
I try to limit myself to only the number of open spots I have +2/3 more if necessary. Then if I have to cut someone its either a guy not going to get playing time, an incoming frosh, or a RS Senior so I can attribute it to real reasons a kid would leave (transfer/grades/graduating and moving on/etc). Makes it a little more challenging for me since recruiting can be pretty easy.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
of course when you get really good
top 20 guys start coming and you didnt even recruit them.
Ah fantasy worlds are awesome
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I dont know that I've ever had that
but with PSU, recruiting is pretty easy. Interested to see how that changes next year. I expect a random popup in the middle of a season that says “CHILD SEX SCANDAL! LOSE ALL YOUR RECRUITS!”
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
to be fair
i always turn the difficulty level to easiest when i play O$U. winning games 92-0 never gets old against them
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Do the same for Michigan. See if you can score more than Hoke’s weight…though I’m not sure that’s possible.
blackjackfishtaco - February 1, 2012
I love destroying Michigan regularly
some of my fondest memories with that game.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
true
i also put ND on schedule every year and do the same there.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I also feel like a scumbag for oversigning in NCAA
To make up for it, this year I only signed 10 guys. We’re like 3 seasons into the online dynasty so I’m pretty stacked and just won the NC last night, so I guess it’s not much of a self-imposed punishment. Whatever helps me sleep at night?
I know the program stability and coach loyalty will be through the floor next year. Probably some “PSU is poison” hidden modifiers in their code every year from now on. I actually thought it would be fun with my friends to take a next step and make a big deck of cards with random stuff like “stealing laptops” “free tattoos” “hooker yacht” and make a random guy draw a random card each week. If something really bad happened, he’d have to dismiss a random player (potentially a big recruit or a starter). We never got around to doing it, but how nerve wracking and frustrating would that make it? Enough to drive a man to
drinkoversigning.PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
How could PSU not have any pending transfers?
The school just went through,
1) a huge scandal
2) a major coaching change
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Newsome excluded..
he hasn’t really been in the picture for a while now
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
our players actually like our school?
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Yeah it was more of a rhetorical question
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Urban will be having some "carefrontations".
J Breezy - February 1, 2012
Of course there are.
Well played Ohio State. They get to drastically oversign a class and “transfer” players to other schools and all is legal. This is ridiculous. This is why no one trusts the NCAA. By the way, those players have to sit out a year before they can play again so they can be considered “student athletes” while the coaches that forced their transfer reap the benefits. This is absolutely insane.
LionInTheWeeds - February 1, 2012
Well the B1G Ten
is tired of getting housed by the SEC, so they’re willing to look the other way to get some MNC swag.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
"I want to be upfront and honest with you son"
I know you may have been promised certain things by the old coaching staff, but I wanted to let you know that there is almost no chance you will ever see the field over the next couple years. I think you’re a talented ballplayer and could probably contribute somewhere else, but I don’t want to mislead you into expecting playing time here. If you want to stay here and keep working, we’ll honor your scholarship. But I know some coaches from MAC teams and some other programs that would love to have you and I could have the special assistant give them a call on your behalf if you think you’d like to go that route. Just let the special assistant know when you decide. Thanks!"
/pats on back with cheeto-covered hand, walks out before letting the player respond in any way
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Way to go Eugene!!!
Junny, Can I get a written confirmation?
The Booster - February 1, 2012
For those of you keeping track...
Ohio State just received a letter of intent from LB Jamal Marcus, meaning they have officially oversigned this class in relation to the scholarships available and B1G rules. It also means they signed four or five linebackers in this class. So… yea good call Cam, best of luck to you and hope you find your way on the field one day. I really have my doubts.
LionInTheWeeds - February 1, 2012
Are they over the 88 limit? (or whatever the hell their imposed limit is)
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
It would be 85
They are under NCAA sanction this year, so they have to be at 82 scholarships +3 for B1G Ten Rules. According to the math by Mr. Nazrallah of 11 Warriors, Ohio State has officially oversigned this class as of this moment and expects at least two to three more letters of intent by Friday. My hatred for OSU grows with each passing minute. I expect no sanctions, but I would like the word to ring forth from this time and this place that Ohio State ruins lives.
LionInTheWeeds - February 1, 2012
Interesting...
apparently the new Big Ten rules require them to get permission from the Big Ten to oversign before the offer is made.
Either way, I expect them to announce another player transfer or something.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Are they over the 85 limit or the 25/year limit?
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
They're capped at 82..
I think that’s the number I’m seeing with the sanction. And I guess now they’re at 83.
Not sure if they’re over 25.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
In random recruiting news...
Auburn is missing out on pretty much every target. Somebody better hide the sharp instruments down there.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
It's obviously
Because Ted Roof isn't theredbl5030 - February 1, 2012
Quite Obvious
Really.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
"Somebody better hide the sharp instruments down there."
So, what you’re saying is that their brains should be alright?
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
Did they misplace their checkbook?
Just get a money order.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
No Ted Roof
PSUCharmas - February 1, 2012
read somewhere that Florida dumped morhinweg?
anybody else hear that?
Why did I Graduate? - February 1, 2012
Nope
Would be a shame if so
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
I am totally confused by this over limit recruiting & 1 year renewable scollies
I don’t understand how this works, how can you have more scholarships then you are allowed ? I thought that is the reason they made a limit on how many each school were allowed to have to prevent some schools from having 100+ kids like the old Oklahoma & Texas days were they would sign guys just to keep them from going to another school. Can someone explain this to me ?
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
Not sure what you mean
Every school is allowed 85 scholarships. If they oversign, as done in the SEC, that would put them above 85 scholarships and they have to make room before the season starts (i.e. cutting guys).
So they could sign 50 guys if they wanted, as long as they’re at 85 for the Fall.
In the B1G, they cap the number of guys you can sign at 25 per class. You can oversign by 3 (28) provided you get permission from the conference prior to sending out those offers (I think)
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
thats what I thought it was
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
It just doesn't make sense
So they tell these recruits we are recruting you but there is a chance you won’t make the team and then you’ll be nowhere because everyone else has no schollies left ? And kids still go for that ??
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
No, most times
the kids get the schollies, it’s the returning players who get the shaft.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
Yes and no
Sometimes kids don’t academically qualify. And that’s the fault of the school for not foreseeing that.
Other tactics the SEC uses is they tell kids on the roster already that there’s “no playing time” for them so they leave on their own accord and free up a schollie. Other times they’ll use medical hardship.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
That just sounds illegal
So it pays then to take a kid that probably has no reasonable way of maintaining a acedemic level. If I remember correctly a player can virtually play an entire season before the grades are issued. This is crazy, why wouldn’t the NCAA jump in on this ?
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
"why wouldn’t the NCAA jump in on this ?"
Because its the NCAA.
They’re too busy making thinly veiled threats to investigate PSU rather than actually concern themselves with matters of sports.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
This is something few people know about.
I think its important that all HS coaches become aware of this practice. I coach HS football and I wasn’t too familar with it. Crazy. Why doesn’t the media ie Between the Lines, 60 Minutes, Dateline etc. hop on this story ?
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
You might like to follow this guy on twitter
http://oversigning.com/testing/
or at least visit his website. He’s trying to make a bigger issue out of it.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
I will, thanks
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
I JUST READ THAT ARTICLE
Amazing, I had no idea. What a huge advantage for schools to do that. Paul Johnson @ GA Tech admitted as much. The 1 year renewables are a disgrace as well. I just can’t believe there isn’t more people speaking out. I sure that is one of the many reasons the SEC has won the past 5 or so national championships.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
Are schools going to give our four-year academic scholarships?
If not, I do not think four-year athletic scholarships should be offered either.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
They do
Scholarships are usually retained if the individual meets certain prespecified conditions. That’ show it should be with sports too – keep your grades up, show up for practice, don’t get in trouble. All of these things are under the recipient’s control.
As it is now, retention of an athletic scholarship is often contingent on the new coach liking you or liking how you fit into his system or, as is more often the case, it’s conditioned on nobody better coming along and taking your sport.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
But that undermines the argument that the SEC isn't shady
No fair.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
that is the rule for the old 4 yr scholarship
No, evidently a lot more schools are offering “1 year renewable” scholarships. Meaning that if your on the roster one year and next year they get a bunch of players better then you at your position your out of luck. You can more about this from Artiefufkin10 post above.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
I absolutely agree that players should keep their scholarships for maintaining the grades, following team rules, showing up to practice, etc.
But unless academic scholarships are going to be guaranteed for four years, I don’t think athletic scholarship should be either.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Some academic schollys are
As long as you keep your grades up, stay in a particular program, do community service, etc.
stp147 - February 1, 2012
If they're conditional...
They’re renewable and not really four-year scholarships.
I had to maintain a 3.5 to keep my scholarship, otherwise it would have been pulled.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
But those conditions
are laid out at the time of the offer. Performing is under your control. My advisor never had a “carefrontation” with me.
stp147 - February 1, 2012
Exactly
The difference is in who controls the conditions.
In the academic case, it’s all up to you to maintain your grades. They won’t pull the scholarship just because they found a high school kid that appears to be even smarter.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
I am not disagreeing with you.
I am merely stating that I do not believe athletic scholarships should be guaranteed for four years. I do believe the conditions which must be met to maintain the scholarship should be clearly delineated and agree to by both parties.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
And, as I indicated below
Athletic Scholarships should include caveats for injuries and the like.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
So, getting hurt playing for the school should result in a lost scholarship?
Weren’t you the guy saying that oversigning/grayshirting gave the underprivileged an opportunity at a college education that they might otherwise not get? These seem like inconsistent goals.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
You misunderstood what I posted.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I think schools should be able to exclude injured players from their total scholarships.
But I don’t think it’s fair to pull a scholarship for players because they’re injured. Create some kind of workman’s compensation rule where if you’re injured while an active member of the team, your scholarship gets counted differently. It’s not right to pull a scholarship from a kid just because they got hurt, just like it’s not right to pull a scholarship from a kid just because someone better came along. It’s called integrity, and it’s sorely lacking in the NCAA.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
Agreed.
Whether injured players are excluded from scholarship totals or not, injured players should not lose their scholarship as a result of said injury.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
gotcha
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Agreed
There should be conditions.
It’s just a question of defining four year scholarship vs one-year renewable scholarship.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
It'd be disturbingly easy to abuse that.
Though it’s disturbingly easy to abuse the NCAA rulebook as a whole, so it wouldn’t be changing too much.
My academic scholarship goes through four/five years, so long as I maintain academic standards and avoid making an ass of myself. I appreciate it this way, if mostly for the symbolic gesture. I made a commitment to Penn State and Penn State has made a commitment to me.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
Nothing is perfect.
But just handing our four-year scholarships, without limitations thereon, could be abused as well.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
As evidenced every year by multiple programs.
Nothing is impossible to the creative and morally questionable, I guess.
It’s an interesting thought. I think I’m inherently wary of anything that makes college ball seem more like the NFL, and romantically attached to the idea of a high school student making a long term commitment. Still, it’s not necessarily fair to them to expect that sort of thing from all 18 year olds who play football. I’m a 20 year old and find the concept difficult.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
I think the schollies should be something like this...
Four-years provided you meet certain academic requirements, follow team rules, show up to practice (essentially making them like academic scholarships). And, of course, they cannot expire as a result of an injury
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
The injury part is the only thing that worries me
But hopefully some of these guys will be smart enough to demand that.
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
It should be a part of the contract.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Agreed.
Equating athletic requirements to academic is a nice way to phrase it— I love the idea of letting them know from the start that what happens in the class holds equal weight as what happens on the field. It’s an idea all the athletes should grasp already, but I’ll take beating it into their subconscious as well.
I’d also like to add a clause that says “If dwf deems your facial hair too ridiculous, she has the right to tackle you and shave it off. Resisting her will result in the termination of your scholarship.”
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
Bman likes the sound of this
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
What's your opinion of the Lemmy?
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Hilarious!
but not attractive.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
I've missed you on here!
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
I missed being on here.
Talking about sports in the real world isn’t satisfying.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
My Adademic at PSU
Was through the honors college. We had to maintain a GPA and stay in the college. That was it. Also, I see no problem with schools offering 4 years scholarships to players. In fact, I like that it ensures that these guys will have the opportunity to finish their degree regardless of performance on the field. If a school wants to take that risk, then let them.
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
My academic scholarship*
Massive fail
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
Where's your high GPA now, honors boy?
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
The saddest part
is that I was an English major. My GPA was just fine when I graduated, though.
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
My scholarship was
anemic, both monetarily and my personal achievement.
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
Honors program
I was a walk-on. Never even got a helmet.
cs93 - February 1, 2012
its a whole different situation
You aren’t really engaging in any “risk” with an academic scholarship… there weren’t any major injuries in my honors econ classes…
Why did I Graduate? - February 1, 2012
I would be all for conditions on athletic scholarships accounting for injuries and the like.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I sustained plenty of injuries in ECON 480
to my GPA
stp147 - February 1, 2012
what was 480?
490 was the one that killed most people…
stupid regressions.
Why did I Graduate? - February 1, 2012
480 was Math Econ
Rec’d for regressions reference.
stp147 - February 1, 2012
If you can't handle the math, go study Poly-Sci
Says the guy who dropped out of the math program to study Econ and then became one of the 4,326 attorneys who comment on BSD.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
Didn't say I couldn't handle it
Just said I didn’t handle it in a way that helped my GPA. I was one of the cool kids that double majored in Finance and Econ. And if I became an attorney after this tour of duty as a corporate auditor it would increase my nerd quotient to unheard of levels.
stp147 - February 1, 2012
No, 490 was Econometrics
math + statistics.
/Got an A in it, pissed off the rest of the class.
kmblue - February 1, 2012
At the risk of getting banned over a Statistics fight
but last I checked regression analysis is a part of statistics
stp147 - February 1, 2012
Yes, but Econometrics is SOOOO much better.
Instrumental Variables YAY!
Paige2PSU - February 1, 2012
are we really all that sure
that there is no way for a school to get out of this 4 year scholarship?
Also its great for a school to come out and say they OFFER this type of scholarship, but that doesnt mean they are dishing them out left and right.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Sensible
Just as kids decide between walking on to Penn State vs a scholarship at a 1-AA school, there might be some kids that would chose between a one-year “we’ll see how it goes” renewable deal with a more powerful program over a more secure deal at a less powerful program. That’s an opportunity the kid wouldn’t get if four-year promises were the only option available and it’s a good deal for Penn State if he’s a high-upside-but-high-risk type.
Of course, PSU would have to offer the really top recruits the best deal they can in order to compete with the other schools offering the same kind of deal.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Agreed but there needs to be full disclosure
If an athlete is fully aware that he can be dropped after ever year then I guess then it falls on the players responsibilty. The problem with that is though a lot of these kids probably aren’t fully aware of that or more importantly fully understand that and 2) I am sure most parents and coaches also do not fully understand the rules. This whole thing is very shady aka very SEC like.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
I think the NLI indicates the scholarship is for one year only.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
it probably does
but most kids probably don’t read every line, or fully understand it if they do.
Hopefully, with all the press that the “4 year scholarships” are receiving, more kids (and the adults that are ostensibly helping them with the recruiting process) will be more aware of the renewable process.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
Ah yes
Appearing to care > Actually caring.
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
Here's what you're missing
They promise these kids they’ll start as true freshmen and make millions in the NFL. The disclosure of reality doesn’t come until they want your scholarship for next years 5 star recruit. Then it’s "don’t let the door hit your in the ass on your way out.
Frank O'Brien - February 1, 2012
Think about it this way...
Oversigning is like playing a game of poker…..but..
after you’ve had time to look at and evaluate your hand, you simply trade the cards you don’t like for new ones in hopes that they’re better.
The spirit of academics and player development is lost.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Anyone see that picture of Steven Bench's mom? I'm calling MILF on this one...
From the Penn State Football FB page:
icavalera - February 1, 2012
Man I hope he starts
that way we get the Persa-esque shots of mom in the stands all the time.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Junny is posting this stuff too..
is this from the kid’s twitter account?
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
I saw it on the Penn State Football FB page.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
dibbs
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Bold Move
Everyong, please adhere to the rules of Dibs, since it has been called.
AriesGD - February 1, 2012
Can we buy dibs?
blackjackfishtaco - February 1, 2012
Hmm buying Dibs
Have never heard of this one. I suppose a few beers and shots can go along way with getting a lost Dibs back.
AriesGD - February 1, 2012
Dibs is like shotgun
you have to be in the immediate vicinity for it to count.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Didn't icavalera
technically take ownership with his initial post?
I bet she looks good in a sweater.
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
Yes.
Yes I did. I was just showing her off to the community here.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
i disagree
apparently the dibs rule has been evolving. my kids now attempt dibs on things weeks or even months in advance. I claim legal precedent has changed.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
That's bullshit and you owe your kids a whoopin.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
It's just like calling shotgun as ska said
it only counts if you can see the vehicle.
jman07 - February 1, 2012
hypothetically of course...
smh244 - February 1, 2012
My rules of Dibs
It ahs to be called while looking at said person, in this case. Even though the picture was put up, the words Dibs was not stated, like at a bar, “look at her” “wow she is hot, I call dibs” etc. Second person called Dibs therefore has Dibs. The big factor of Dibs, is that once it is called you called look for anyone else, have tostick with your original Dibs call.
Dibs is a harsh mistress, unless it works out well for you.
AriesGD - February 1, 2012
"I had IMPLIED dibs!"
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
No you didn't
Dibs, is a harsh mistress.
AriesGD - February 2, 2012
it was a quote from HIMYM
I don’t want dibs.
Cari Greene - February 2, 2012
Fair enough
Wasn’t real sure what your message was all about.
AriesGD - February 2, 2012
man, where are my fellow HIMYM fans when I need them? LOL
Cari Greene - February 3, 2012
Looks more like his sister..
and dad looks like Grandpa
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Good Play
on the old man’s part. By looking at him, you wouldn’t think he had that club in his bag
Keith Platt - February 1, 2012
Outkicked his coverage
jman07 - February 1, 2012
better tape those ears down
Dr.TobiasFunke - February 1, 2012
Gotta be a sister
No way she’s over 35.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
step mom, maybe. But my wife looked that good at 45
BMAN13 - February 1, 2012
Coach BOB has no patience for star-gazers!
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2012/02/recruiting-rank-no-concern-to-penn-states-bill-obrien/1
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
He's setting himself up
to look like a genius or a total idiot. I really hope its the former.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
meh..
Joe’s response to these matters was basically the same
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Everyone's response is the same.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
I'm not saying I disagree with it
but he’s basically saying “I can take the scraps of whats left over from other kids recruiting classes and turn them into stars like Welker.” Either he’s going to be right and he can turn the recruits he gets into stars, or he’s going to look like an idiot who doesn’t understand the college game. The guy doesnt have much leeway due to his pedigree.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
or hes saying
just cause they arent all 4 and 5 stars doesnt mean we wont be able to compete against OSU and UM and the like. I dont see anything wrong with that
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I think you're reading too deeply into it
If he pulls a mediocre class next year and responds like that, then I’m worried.
Not its pretty much a “non answer” to me because he’s dealing with SB shit
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
If he didnt bring up Welker, I would agree
everything else was your standard non-answer. But you throw his name into the mix, then you’re upping the ante and (in a much more subtle, roundabout kind of way) saying you can turn these less heralded kids into the same type of player. Seriously, in 3 years from now if we’re looking at hiring a new coach because we just fired BOB, we’re all going to be looking back at this quote and saying “maybe we should have realized it then”.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
I have a feeling Bob cares a lot more about recruiting than we're all letting on...
I really didn’t expect him to say “yeah well we tried pretty hard to salvage this class but the scandal kind of screwed that up”.
My guess is that he realizes the weakness of the class, but its not even his class…entirely. He’s gotta play the hand he’s dealt.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
You are reading way to much into this
All he’s saying is that he doesn’t care what the recruiting services say. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t think it’s important to recruit good players; obviously he believes and understands the importance of recruiting: he said as much during his initial presser.
Saying that “stars and recruiting rankings don’t matter” is different than saying that “recruits don’t matter.”
My take on his Wes Welker line was not that he’s taking credit for developing Welker (which is bullshit by the way), but that the recruiting services completely missed on Welker like they do on a bunch of other kids every year.
spakajewia - February 1, 2012
I was being somewhat silly with my BOB comments regarding Welker
I dont think he is claiming Welker or saying he’s going to turn 1 star guys into the next Welker or whatever. I agree with your take on his statement. I think its a perfectly fine statement to make. I just think he’s setting himself up to look foolish if it doesnt work out with that comment. Had he said everything else exactly the same, he would have gotten the same point across, but now if he ends up failing, people will look back at that statement and say “oh he thought he turn those kids into Wes Welker. He had no idea how to recruit.”
I’m not saying he’s going to fail or that he cant recruit or anything like that, just that statement could come back on him if things shouldn’t work out. People are already giving him shit for staying with the Pats and not going hardcore on recruiting and not having experience as a HC, so I dont think I’m really going off the reservation with that statement.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
people who say he should have left the pats are clowns
almost everyone around here who said that immediately after the hire changed their tune pretty quickly.
I don’t see how he set himself to look that foolish. care to elaborate?
He said he doesn’t care if his class is rated 1 or 50…ultimately his success as a head coach will be determined by his record on the field, not according to PSU’s recruiting ranking. If PSU ranks in the top ten in recruiting each of the next four years, but fails on the field, he’ll be gone. And if PSU finishes ranked 50th in recruiting each of the next four years, but wins multiple B1G championships, he’ll be beloved.
He’s right — once the games start, nobody cares about the recruiting rankings.
spakajewia - February 1, 2012
Well I disagree
I’ll leave it at that.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Disagree with what?
You’re saying if we win three of the next five B1G championships, but don’t pull in amazing recruiting classes you’ll be calling for BO’B’s head?
mvrck - February 1, 2012
No
that if in 3 years we have to look for a new coach because BOB was fired, people are going to look back and say “man, he had no idea how to recruit” or “wow, I guess he wasn’t committed enough to Penn State”. If he’s winning games its a non issue.
I really dont get why people are so worked up about my comment. It’s not like it was meant to be incredibly profound or antagonizing or anything. Its remotely like when Weiss came in and said he was going to give ND a “Schematic advantage” or whatever (though BOB is not being anywhere close as arrogant as Weiss). If he wins, then no big deal, if he loses you look back and it looks dumb. I mean shit, EDSBS just had a post yesterday about how “someone must have stolen BOB’s identity and applied for the PSU job with it” because he was basically ignoring PSU and recruiting because of the Superbowl. You dont think people will look back on comments about “Wes Welker not being highly recruited” and call him an idiot of we have shitty recruiting classes and losing records?
And for the record, I get BOB’s comments, they seem reasonable to me (for the most part), and I really have no problems with them. Now lets stop talking about them because its a waste of time.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
I dont translate the wes welker part
into him saying “look what ill do with crap!!”
I think its more him saying there are plenty of talented guys out there, guys talented enough to be all pros, who were not highly touted by the services.
To me, he is saying “these guys are already talented despite their star rating” rather then him saying “I can make stars out of untalented players with no love from the services.”
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I think he is also saying,
that certain guys may not be talented in the conventional way (STARZ), but if you find a way to fit their talents they can have just as much of an impact. Wes Welker is not a high star guy and wouldn’t be by recruiting standards because he doesn’t have conventional wide reciever attributes/talents but in his niche he has those talents and would be a high star guy.
bigs26 - February 1, 2012
Not complicated
I think he’s just saying that he believes he can spot future talent better than the recruiting services can, which is probably true. As I’ve mentioned before, I don’t think the recruiting star-givers do a great job of projecting potential a few years down the line.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
I tell you what
Pull in a top ten class and make the same statements. I won’t mind.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
clemson and ND fans would say they dont matter
and they are always in the top 10.
Although ND lost a 5 star wideout to Houston today sooo…..
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
oh boy here we go
Sounds like BOB is aready making excuses to justify a poor recruiting class. Proven fact that pro coaches cant stand the idea of recruiting kids. Besides money the number one reason why college coaches leave is cause of the non-stop recruiting trail.
NJDeadhead - February 1, 2012
Whatever you say buddy
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
You MIGHT have a point if he didn't already have over 10 years of college coaching experience under his belt.
I mean really, what else is he supposed to say about it?
icavalera - February 1, 2012
I think its actually 14 years of college experience
spakajewia - February 1, 2012
Well,
I did say over 10 years of experience.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
to be fair he was a college coach far longer than a pro coach
i wouldnt necessarily lump him in with the “pro coaches.” He understands the grind.
I also take umbrage with the statement its a poor recruiting class. Is it out of this world, no, but there is l a lot of middle ground between this class and poor. Particularly under the circumstances.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
You realize he has more college experience than pro right?
What would you like him to say? “Yeah these kids suck.”
speedomike - February 1, 2012
Steve Bench
I read an interesting article on Philly.com regarding PSU’s recruiting class. It is what you would expect, basically they crapped all over the class.
However, someone over there in editing must have been asleep, because they let go the nugget, from a scout, who projected Bench as having more upside than Skylar Morningweh.
Keith Platt - February 1, 2012
Coaches have to say that
They don’t want kids with low stars to lose confidence, and they don’t want the kids with high stars to get cocky.
Likewise, if the class is highly rated, they don’t want the expectations of the fans to create extra pressure and hype on the team, and if it’s not highly rated, they want to get people to BILLIEVE that they’ve got the next Wes Welker.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
No shit.
Sometimes I am amazed at how people are able to give longwinded answers to obvious questions that aren’t even asked.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
BWI saying Lewis is signed
WHEW!
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
yea 247 confirmed that on twitter a while ago.
he is the gem, right? or Lynch? or Pollard?
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Those are the Big 3.
DrewRusse - February 1, 2012
I NEED ONE!
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Still waiting on Lynch
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
I thought he was one of the first in?
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Kiley was
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
"one of"
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
I NEED ONE!
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
So who are we missing?
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
looks like Davis, Dowrey, Johnson, and Lynch
VoiceOfTheNavigators - February 1, 2012
Akeel Lynch is in.
BUFFALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
Yes!
VoiceOfTheNavigators - February 1, 2012
YES
and welcome back to the party Pete
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
Had to go to my internship for a couple hours
BUT I’M BACK
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
And I have just discovered that my fridge no longer keeps food cold
Fuck this shit.
Peter Gray - February 1, 2012
Just put the food outside while you fix it...
oh wait.
/damn you weather
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
shorts on at work today.
depot commander made a comment to me while leaving my building
BMAN13 - February 1, 2012
He's in Buffalo
I’m fairly certain that it doesn’t get above 20 degrees there year round
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
I think I saw somewhere
That it hit 26 last fourth of July.
Twas a great day for freedom
FB_Dive_or_Bust - February 1, 2012
It's in the 40s today
huge warm front going through the northeast right now
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
Yea, it was 65 where I live today
This is not February 1st.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
Pushing 80 here
It’ll be above 100 before I know it. Sigh…
stp147 - February 1, 2012
Thank goodness
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
So this class is pretty much a wrap
jetskijoe - February 1, 2012
BTW
The name Akeel Lynch rings pretty well doesn’t it?
The Booster - February 1, 2012
just waiting on Beau Hankins to send in his LOI
Dr.TobiasFunke - February 1, 2012
Did I miss something, because I thought we weren't in it for Hankins.
DrewRusse - February 1, 2012
Ted went down south to "Roofie" him.
he never visited but PSU in his final choices. not likely
Dr.TobiasFunke - February 1, 2012
*is
Dr.TobiasFunke - February 1, 2012
He's just a really big fan of waiting
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
And Da'Quan Davis is now in.
DrewRusse - February 1, 2012
OSU just got another recruit per ESPN
Kyle Dodson
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Shame it's not Antoine
Cream - February 1, 2012
Looks like that puts them at 83, 1 over their max. Interesting to see who gets the boot for violating team rules.
Curmudgeon79 - February 1, 2012
It's so deliciously ironic
That the main dude behind constantly writing and trying to expose oversigning in the SEC is an enormous OSU backer. How is this going to reconcile? Stay tuned.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Austin Johnson in
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Lynn is in
UPSUPhilly - February 1, 2012
I figured
He did not like his draft placement, so he thought he would re-up for four more years
FB_Dive_or_Bust - February 1, 2012
Lynch
UPSUPhilly - February 1, 2012
So who was the last recruit
to have an in home visit by JoePa? I imagine that’s pretty special.
Dr.TobiasFunke - February 1, 2012 via Android app
TP?
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Yeah, think it was TP
So….not quite as special….
GMac14 - February 1, 2012
I thought he visited Lattimore?
blackjackfishtaco - February 1, 2012
He was going to
the trip was cancelled though.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
I think every Ohio State fan
is sending a thank you card to Jerry Sandusky
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
And Jim Tressel
Since he “was the only person who committed any NCAA penalties” and allowed St. Urban to take over and take everybody’s recruits.
GMac14 - February 1, 2012
yes maybe but more sandusky
hard to imagine williams, schutt, oconnor, spence and reeves decommit and go with urban if there is no scandal, and the coaching staff is still in place (disregarding the unfortunate nature of what happened with JoePa, I still think sans Sandusky, Bradley is HC and the rest of the staff is still there).
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Schutt, OConnor, and Spence were probably due to the scandal
I think Cam and Reeves were due to the new coaching staff. Had Bradley been named head coach and not BOB, I think Cam and Armani are coming to PSU.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
right i agree
but Bradley is not coach because of the scandal.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
valid point
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
It's all JS and Tressel
Without O$U cheating Tressel still is coaching and there is no fO$U opening without JS, Urbz becoming PSU’s number one choice, still followed by Peterson before you get to Scrap. As much as I love Bradley.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
Would Bradley really have carried that much more weight than BOB?
I mean, if the kids were in a room and Bradley was recruiting them against Urban…I’m not sure if that would have made a difference either. I think those kids were more in awe because of Urban, not because of who PSU wanted.
I also don’t think Bradley is the head coach…even without the scandal. I think we’ve seen with how poorly the BOT handled things, they wanted Joe out and wanted to make a hire themselves.
GMac14 - February 1, 2012
I just think they had a relationship with him
and the other coaches on staff. They left because those coaches were gone.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
That's a good point and I didn't think about it like that
From my own perspective, knowing nothing more than how things happened, I think both those kids got swept up in whatever Urban was selling and wanted to be apart of what he was doing at OSU. And I don’t know if anybody PSU had as head coach, save JoePa, could have kept them here.
GMac14 - February 1, 2012
Yeah, the kids who committed to Penn State in the summer and fall
weren’t committing to 4 years of Paterno. They were committing to the school, and somewhat to the assistants.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
yes
Bradley is a guy who they had known for a while. IF he is head coach, he is likely keeping his staff, with a few exceptions (who knows if anderson/hall retire) but williams and reeve were all about PSU, then scandal, then new coach and they bolt. Urban was after them well before they decided to leave, and they left shortly after OBrien was hired. I have to think it has more to do with coaching change than with being swept off their feet by Urban Meyer.
But saying Bradley is definitely head coach is speculative, I agree. I just imagine, without a scandal, if a new coach had to be named, its less imperative for them to look “outside the school” and enough noise from fans to make it Bradley. For example, had Joe died this week while still HC, I cant imagine anyone BUT Bradley gets the job.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Agreed
Almost everyone seems to think that Bradley was part of a “clean house” effort brought on entirely because of Sandusky. On some less reputable boards (PennLive, for example) there are even a lot of people who actually support that logic.
But I’m not entirely sure that’s the case. I think this committee really wanted to go with a more offense-oriented guy, and was also enamored with the idea of getting a guy with NFL cred – as evidenced by the other names on the reported short list. If Bradley wasn’t going to totally overhaul all of the offensive staff – and I’d be surprised if he was planning to do that – then he wasn’t ever going to be the guy, regardless of the scandal.
I’m not sure this committee really had the football knowledge to make that judgement – I say unsure because I don’t know who else they consulted. Obviously, the panel by themselves does not – but I can see how they’d think that. This team does desperately need new offensive ideas.
If they’d kept Bradley and most of the current staff, we’d have retained some of the recruits we lost but not all because we’d still not have Joe Paterno and I’m not sure how much the scandal itself mattered. O’Connor seems to have been upset about the scandal, but mostly upset that Joe had been fired. But Joe wouldn’t be his coach regardless, so I don’t know.
But I don’t think keeping a great class this year is enough to justify hiring Bradley if it meant keeping the same crappy offensive schemes. I can see BOB being able to recruit a great QB. I didn’t see that happening under the old regime.
Rutgers seems to have gone that route, but I don’t think one class is enough to justify a five year contract. Maybe it is for Rutgers because this is such an exceptionally good class for them, but not for us, I don’t think.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
PSU was able to recruit
Qbs with high star rankings under the “old regime”. They didn’t/haven’t performed well often, but Jones and Bolden and Newsome were highly rated guys.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Highly recruited =/= good
But I see your point. Perhaps its more accurate to say that I couldn’t see this group recruiting AND developing a great QB soon.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Of course it doesn't, but the kids had talent.
They brought in guys that other programs were really trying to get. And for whatever reason they didn’t pan out.
FB6244 - February 2, 2012
re: Bradley and overhauling the O staff
I get where you’re coming from regarding Bradley and the possible mischaracterization of why he was not hired as coach, but from all reports I read before Joe was let go, Anderson and Hall were going to retire with Joe anyway. And it’s been pretty widely known that Jay and Tom did not get along. So, a complete offensive overhaul was what I would’ve expected had Tom gotten the HC position.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
Jay and Tom didn't get along?
That’s news to me. Interesting. That does change the picture somewhat.
But then the question becomes “Who would Bradley hire on offense?” A guy with a SuperBowl ring? Hard to say. But I can see Team Joyner seeing it that way.
Hmmm. I’m interested in your thoughts and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
If the scandal never happened
Urban Meyer coaches Penn State in 2012.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
and then we have 41 recruits this year
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I might be wrong
But I’m not joking. I truly believe that.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
I believe you.
I also think Meyer is a guy that will always be a function of his environment. Stick him in a good situation, and he’ll be good. Stick him in a crappy one, and he’ll sink to that level.
I believe if he was at PSU, he’d do things the right way. But at OSU….yeah.
mvrck - February 1, 2012
nature vs. nurture
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
That's what Phil Grosz says
He says he has reliable sources showing that Meyer was all but signed until Joyner f’d it all up and that Joepa said last summer that he was going to retire this year and put Meyer on a list of guys he’d recommend along with Chris Peterson, Schiano and Mike Riley (Oregon State- really?). Bradley wasn’t on the list.
I believe Joe may have said to some people that he was going to retire, but I don’t know if I believe that Meyer was in the bag.
Personally, I’m glad Meyer is not our coach. I just really wish he weren’t Ohio State’s coach. I like BOB a lot better. Really.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
That's similar to what I heard from someone else
that’s funny. It’s similar enough that it could have been a sort of “telephone” style distortion. There is 0 chance Meyer would or could ever admit to it, but what I heard was basically that Joe had done research on many of the same guys you listed (one difference) and had been in personal contact with some of them and had some conversations about Penn State. Urban was more than just sorta interested, and apparently told Joe “just say the word and I’m there.”
Well, obviously what happened prevented Joe from retiring and/or saying any word to anyone in the AD Office or administration. I suppose we’ll never know for sure, but from what I know I think it’s possible this is exactly what happened and not your garden variety rumormongering bullshit.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
For what it's worth,
last spring, when Tressel got fired, Matt Hayes from the Sporting News tweeted that all of the Urban to OSU talk was premature, because Urban was holding out for the Penn State job. I point blank asked him if he actually knew something or was he just being sarcastic. His response was “I am not being sarcastic.” Again, take it FWIW, but it’s interesting when added to your information.
icavalera - February 1, 2012
So we're just waiting on Dowrey now?
Is there an award that goes to the first and last guys to turn in their LOI?
Drea1020 - February 1, 2012
Mr. Irrelevant
The Booster - February 1, 2012
So who are looking at as an early commit next class?
Brenneman? or has he dropped his intial enthusiam?
ReddWhitenBlue - February 1, 2012
OMG THREE STARS!!1!1!!
/hangs head
You’re not going to get me to say anything bad about a class that includes Jesse James.
I’m also officially bought into the three year plan. I’m not going to try and start judging this movie three minutes after the opening credits.
Kevin Powers - February 1, 2012
I dont know
I started watching Transformers 2 last night and could tell it sucked about 5 minutes in…
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
felt that way about "the scorpion king"
I actually walked out of the theater and asked for my money back.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
never left a theater mid movie because it was bad
I do half half a mind to write Jodi Foster to pay me back the $5 I spent renting the movie Flightplan though.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
if i recall correctly
i wasn only there to appease a pissed off gf. As soon as “the rock” said “you’re lucky we have the same mother” i was leaving. She refused to leave and i waited in the car till it was over. Needless to say, the relationship didn’t go much farther.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
hmm
i assumed she was pissed off cause you took her to see the scorpion king
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
You shouldn’t have left. The comedic value of that movie was off the charts.
blackjackfishtaco - February 1, 2012
not sure about that
i still have not seen it. I feel as though my life has been enriched for its absence.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
My friends and I still discuss that movie over beers. So so so so bad that it was funny.
blackjackfishtaco - February 1, 2012
Only $5?
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
Oh you said renting
nvm
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
$5
that bitch Jodi Foster owes me. God I hate her.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
I like transformers
Giant killer robots = cool. Extraneous, totally-unnecessary-to-the-story, hot woman = bonus
Granted, I didn’t watch it to the end. Or at least, I don’t know how it ended. I don’t care. Giant robots is what matters
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Oh, I love Transformers
watched the cartoon as a kid. Owned a ton of the toys. I was obsessed with them as a kid. I even kind of liked the first movie. But holy balls was the second one bad.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
I liked the first one
Second one sucked. Except for that blond chick.
Heard the 3rd one was atrocious.
Also a huge fan as a kid.
Artiefufkin10 - February 1, 2012
I heard the 3rd one was the best of the 3
and really, the 1st one is terrible in terms of plot holes and whatnot if you really pay attention to it, but damn if it isnt cool to finally see a “real life” transformers movie.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
When I watch Transformers, I don't care about plot.
I go to see awesome special effects, explosions, giant robots fighting each other, and Optimus Prime being a badass. Throw in some Fox-y ladies and you have yourself a very entertaining movie. And all three delivered on every point.
If you’re looking for thought-provoking films when you go to see action/adventure movies, you’re going to be sorely disappointed every time. I know it’s all trendy to hate on Michael Bay, but the guy knows how to cater to younger male audiences.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
If you love big explosions instead of plot
You must really love everything Michael Bay does then. It is cearly his MO, where special effects count towards plot development.
AriesGD - February 1, 2012
I know Michael Bay gets a bad rap
and oftentimes deservedly so, but if I’m flipping through the channels and see either The Rock, Armageddon or Bad Boys on, I’m dropping everything and watching the entire thing. Those movies are boss.
LAPSU - February 1, 2012
Those are good movies
But if you look at when those were made compared to his latest stuff. You can see him getting more and more away from complex plot to more special effects type stuff, like the attrocious movie The Island.
AriesGD - February 1, 2012
I liked the Island
but only because of the two Ewan MacGregors.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
I thought The Island was a cool concept
but it just didn’t get executed very well. And you’re right, he hasn’t made a must see movie in a long while.
LAPSU - February 2, 2012
Completely agree
The concept of The Island would work in a drama, not an action movie. I think moving it to a more action based movie really limited the good story that could be had with that concept.
AriesGD - February 2, 2012
All three of them sucked
The writing was terrible. The stories weren’t compelling. I was thoroughly disappointed.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
On the plus side
a new episode of Justified aired after Transformers 2 last night.
Nittanian - February 1, 2012
really liked that show. wish i had fx still
or at least netflix picking it up
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Mention Marry Poppins
and I’m out of the room before the period hits the sentence.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
can you see punctuation in conversation
or are all your conversations with Victor Borge?
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
It's quite an
annoying talent really.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
the equivalent of x-ray vision
but only as it pertains to clothing on fat old men
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Not a Dick Van Dyke fan?
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
the scary dude in that movie
gave me nightmares for years as a kid
hbeach08 - February 1, 2012
scary people will do that
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
This probably isn’t going to do you any favors then.
Bob Sacamano - February 1, 2012
While we're talking shitty movies
How about Yentl. Holy Shit!! When my mom popped that into the VCR (yeah I said it) I wanted to sow my asshole shut and eat a pound cake.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
You speak, I feel/live the pain...
my oldest sister was a huge “The Sound of Music” fan. Gun. Temple. Pow.
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
I had three older sisters
guess how many freaking times I had to watch that movie from when it came out til they were all gone from the house in ‘78. It may be a great movie, I don’t know, I just hate it. I rewrote half the songs to have evil killer references while I was in high school. Can’t print that shit now or DHS will be knocking on my door.
BMAN13 - February 2, 2012
My younger sister used to latch onto crap movies for months at a time
She’d rent Sound of Music or Thumbelina or something else and watch it every. single. day. for like a month. Then she’d move on to the next one.
Kyle_Martin - February 2, 2012
What I'm really curious to see is
the approach towards next year’s class. Will BOB go after the flashy talent a la OSU, or follow the PSU MO in finding solid, if less ‘prestigious’ contributors?
Cream - February 1, 2012
Well I had to step out for a bit (was still mobile if you were following on Twitter)
But it’s good to see this train kept on a-runnin’. Only waiting on Dowrey, and the rest of the excitement around the country seems to have died down, as classes are beginning to be finalized.
Look for a couple things tomorrow, including an update on the class of ‘12 and an exciting surprise for Penn State fans. And in case you missed the update above, don’t forget to send your recruiting Mailbag questions my way for our new monthly mailbag post. If I don’t get any questions, I’ll be forced to put up nothing but Rush and Styx videos.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
I will choose free will!!
The Booster - February 1, 2012
Had nothing but the utmost respect for you
up until that Rush/Styx thing.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
What is the deadline for submitting questions to avoid the Rush and Styx videos?
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Mailbags will probably occur the last week of the month.
So you’ve got time.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
No no, that was my question.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
will you title the mailbag feature as
“That Time of the Month”
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Could you use your Crystal Ball and look ahead to '13?
BMAN13 - February 1, 2012
Well, I'll be doing that for about the next 365 days.
If you could make it just a tad more specific, I’ll be happy to address it.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
366
You get an extra day to talk about ’12. Make it a good one.
stp147 - February 1, 2012
he can take a day off if he wants
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
What is this surprise you speak of??
Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) - February 1, 2012
I just assumed it was in his pants and passed over it.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
You'll have to wait and see.
But I think you guys will like it.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Yeah, totally in his pants.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Did I hear there's a party tomorrow?
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
The pants party?
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
Free whale pants for everyone!
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
Don't speak for me
assuming anything can make me happy or that I’ll enjoy any sort of news is foolish.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
What if I told you that Urban Meyer gave all his recruits the PSU fax number instead?
mvrck - February 1, 2012
What if Urban is retiring tomorrow
to spend more time with his family?
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
Would that really be considered a "surprise'?
Bob Sacamano - February 2, 2012
I would brace myself for the death penalty the NCAA would hit us with.
However, if somehow all our letters got faxed to tOSU, I’d expect the NCAA to applaud Meyer for his creativity.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
Is Rush coming out with a new album?
The Booster - February 1, 2012
Oh my God!
Junny has developed a time machine to take us back to 1982.
kijana's acl - February 1, 2012
What does the board think?
Since Ohio State seems totally unable to follow NCAA/B1G Ten regulations regarding player recruitment and improper benefits, I would like to submit a suggestion to both the NCAA and B1G Ten offices—limit Ohio State to 19 scholarships to award next season.
I figure they went over by 4 scholarships and deserve the standard 2 scholarship penalty which was self-imposed when LSU was caught oversigning. Additionally, since limiting the total number of scholarships hasn’t stopped Ohio State from oversigning and then consequently cutting players, a new approach is needed.
What do you guys think? Meritorious idea?
LionInTheWeeds - February 1, 2012
Maybe if the NCAA didn't allow Meyer to lead a seperate coaching staff for recruiting,
he could have spent time evaluating the players he had during bowl preparation instead of focusing on over signing recruits. That way he’d know how many players will be transferring and can justify over signing (which I thought the limit with special permission was 3) by 4 players and immediately name the players that will be transferring.
Since the NCAA and B1G seem content to let him just do whatever gives him the best chance of winning “legitimately”, I don’t think they’ll have a problem with anything he’s done today. It’s not like that program should be on probation or anything due to any previous transgressions with violating NCAA rules.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
my question is
How is removing scholarships a punishment if they can just go ahead and sign 30 guys and then just cut the guys they dont want from their existing roster?
The spirit of the rule seems to be “lets punish them by not allowing them to have a big class full of talent” Instead OSU just goes out, gets a huge class full of talent, and will just let go of 2 or 3 star guys from years passed, and/or highly touted guys that didnt live up to potential. Its hardly a punishment, and any OSU fan that wants to keep telling me how bad they got it from the NCAA can shove it.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
It's not.
The conference should not have permitted them to do this.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Absolutely agreed.
Regardless of your opinion on the legality of over signing, there is no way this should have been allowed by the B1G. Looks like their talk of morals and integrity was nothing more than a platform of hot air from which to throw stones at JoePa.
Succss With Honor Always - February 1, 2012
Things are only immoral
If the media makes a big deal over it
tbs5005 - February 1, 2012
We agree!
YAY
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
Hugs!
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Like grown men do?
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
I don't know if FB is a guy.
But very much so if that is the case.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
A woman can still hug Like grown men do.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
I love LJSR
I did a happy dance when I found out he was staying. But what the hell does that mean? How do I hug like a grown man? Do you spit and grab your crotch before going in for the hug?
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
A manly embrace
If you will.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
Right hand goes for the handshake
left arm around the back for couple pats on the back. Either that, or an assertive yet brief embrace, again with 2-3 pats on the back.
Women tend to rub their hands on the back and kind of place their arms around the sides, not really squeezing.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
Exactly.
No lingering.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
You guys spend an interesting amount of time thinking about hugs.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
It’s absolutely necessary to execute a man hug this way.
blackjackfishtaco - February 1, 2012
I'm going to hug one of my friends like that
and report back with the results.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
female friends?
Pics or gtfo.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Oh the joys of being objectified on the internet.
I didn’t realize grown man hugs were sexy.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
All I can think of is this:
The Give and Take
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
My heart is full of love.
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
You have to be able to show affection
without being too affectionate.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
I'm American
And have found myself uncomfortable in certain social situations throughout my life. That said, I’ve come to realize that American masculinity is very, very silly.
I mean, I’d never walk down a street arm-in-arm as I’ve seen (straight) Italian dudes do, but the level of discomfort with “unmanly” things that one sees in Miller Lite, Dial For Men and other commercials (either reflective or reflected in every day life) is pretty ridiculous. Also, shaving arms and eyebrows.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Are you saying LJSR is ridiculous?
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
I WOULD NEVER
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Well he hugs like a grown man does!
But yeah some of that stuff is over the top. I’ve seen dudes wait in line to avoid taking an open urinal next to a pissing man when no other option was available.
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Yeah "urinal etiquette" is ridiculous
There is a receptacle with the express purpose of allowing you to urinate and not be arrested. It’s not like you’re urinating ON another person. It’s not like you’re watching others, or inviting others to watch you, during urination. You are simply urinating in a place designed for that purpose, in the vicinity of others.
If there are 2 open urinals, I will use the one furthest away from someone else. If there is one left, I’m going to piss in it, and not feel the least bit strange.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
No, bathroom etiquette is essential
too many people throw it to the wind these days. However, if theres 1 urinal left, etiquette says to use that one.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Oh
I thought etiquette was to use the sink.
jman07 - February 2, 2012
Everyone one of my 400 level English classes
as featured this conversation at least once. And 3 out of 4 times it ends up pinned on female expectation. Which, as a girl, I find hilarious.
dwf5095 - February 1, 2012
3 pats on the back
that say “I’m. Not. Gay.”
Not that theres anything wrong with that.
skarocksoi - February 1, 2012
Ha ha, yes, yes I am.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
One Important Point
We signed a guy named Jesse James. That alone puts this class into the top 10, in my book.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Is there anybody named Billy
on the roster?
rahpsu92 - February 1, 2012
more importantly
is there anyone named Robert Ford on any roster of any team we are playing in the future?
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
+1
Steebo4PSU - February 1, 2012 via iPhone app
More like Derek SLOWery am I right?
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
HIs phat rims
must have fallen off.
It’s been a long day.
FB6244 - February 1, 2012
I heard he's still considering fO$U
The Booster - February 1, 2012
Where's rumple when you need him
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Really happy with this class...
Hopefully most of these kids will pan out to be helpful to PSU in the next few years both on AND off the field…
GOPSUCHEF - February 1, 2012
Our finest hour
Lately, I’m routinely reminded of this moment in Apollo 13.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOkAyUmyQko
“This will be the worst disaster NASA has ever experienced.”
“With all due respect, sir, I believe this will be our finest hour.”
Lately I’ve been feeling like all the hate and bitterness and negativity and recruiting defections may be a blessing in disguise, because it will show us who the real Nittany Lions are and who are just the poseurs are.
I don’t know if BOB and the rest can coach, but I’m confident they have the right attitude and all of them feel like they’ve got something to prove. This class, ranked as low as 49, sure as hell has to believe they’ve got something to prove.
Winning with obviously superior talent is fine, but winning when all the critics think you can’t is a whole other level of awesome.
Worst case scenario, in three years we have to hire a new coach. But by then we’ll have a new President, a new AD, a lot less of the Sandusky stink will be in the air and there will be more options available.
But the best case is as good as it’s ever been. If this coach that all the media said was a nobody and these players who only Rice wanted can beat those guys who flipped to Ohio State without bothering to even meet BOB, then that will be the greatest thing to happen to Penn State since 1994. Maybe even better. And Joe would be proud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CdJTfGiRCI
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
I sure hope so
Not sure it will be, but things can only get better from where we’ve been the past few months. It may take time, but we’ll be back. Hopefully, sooner rather than later, but I’m young and have some patience.
psfann - February 1, 2012
Exactly
“There’s a certain freedom in being completely screwed because you know that things can’t get any worse.”
And based on what little we saw, I can’t fault anything the current staff did in recruiting. I’d even say I’m optimistic about what they could do with a full year. By all accounts they really hustled and got a few guys that previously weren’t on the radar. Maybe it would have helped a little if BOB weren’t coaching the Patriots right now, but I don’t agree with those who think that should have disqualified him from the job given the advantages of having a guy who coached Tom Brady (hell, just knowing Tom Brady gives me optimism about his QB know-how) And the guys who decommitted still could have met with him before today and chose not to. There’s not much he can do about a kid that is so anxious to make a life-altering decision that he’s unwilling to wait a week to consider all the options. Indeed, I’m not sure I want those kids on our team if that’s how they operate. I wish they weren’t playing for Ohio State, however.
Getting Bench out of nowhere showed they really had their act together. I looked like Morningweg was starting to pull-away for weeks now and if the “we wanted him as a safety” rumors are true than it appears the staff weren’t really sold on him. I have no idea which player is better, but from what I’ve read, Bench will at least give us some depth and has a chance to be pretty damn good.
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Meyer calls Spence the jewel of his class
gag me. so bitter. dont care
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Did Spence ever silent here?
Uhaul - February 1, 2012
not that i know of
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
I would be less unhappy with Spence
if he didn’t publicly state that he chose OSU for their values or family or something like that. Seriously? IT’S OSU.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
I have become resolute with Spence
He made his decision. There will be other big recruits in penn state’s future(im talking to you Adam Brennemen)
ReddWhitenBlue - February 1, 2012
I hope he's a bust
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
this is odd
Meyer says they have room for one more scholarship, they are at 81. They will announce the departing players at a later date.
That you have to announce who will be departing on signing day is nonsense to me.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
until further notice
when we reference “carefrontations” with regards to tOSU, it should be called what it is. Bitethecurbfrontations is my vote.
smh244 - February 1, 2012
Here's a good way to dump the expendables Urban
Make a curfew post it in a public yet discrete location and only tell your top prospects about it. Bam! Violation of team rules.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
Wait
He’s not even announcing who’s leaving on signing day. He’s announcing that he’ll announce later. I mean, maybe they already have it all worked out, but who’s to say he doesn’t find someone to (word that is a euphemism for “cut”) after today?
There should at least be a rule that you have to submit the returning scholarship athletes prior to NSD and you cannot sign any player above the 85 (or 82 in this case) limit. You can’t draw before you discard.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
yes you can
thats how they all do it. You only need to be at your limit in august. so you can have over the limit in spring practice, let the guys basically audition, and move on from there.
Whats interesting to me is that he has the balls to say they are at 81. No, you are at like 86, you just know theres one more guy you want out there, so you assume you will cut 5 more guys.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
not "they all"
supposedly in the Big Ten you have to tell them how you’re down to 85 before you do it. Not sure how that works exactly, but I guess it’s different if you’re Ohio State.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
Apparently they had 6 early enrollees
that don’t count towards the 2012 limit. I believe they’re sitting at 83 right now.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
The early enrollees don't count towards the 25/year limit
They still count towards the total scholarship limit though.
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
Right, duh.
Long day, which is why I spent a bunch of time here.
dbl5030 - February 1, 2012
i meant they all
in a sense of “all the ones that do it, do it that way.” I dont consider what the Big Ten allows as over-signing. Technically it is, but its like 2 more scholarships and its very heavily scrutinized.
That is unless you are Ohio State
swiggy04 - February 2, 2012
Much love to Eugene Lewis.
Way to represent the West Side.
MainLion - February 1, 2012
dowrey signed
per 247
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Double D must be one tough
son of a bitch. You see his 247sports pic? Holy Cow!! Face only a mother could love.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
he looks like Eric Stoltz in "Mask"
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
It is 1649 here on the East Coast
and Caring is still Creepy
ckmneon - February 1, 2012
i dont know if you guys are on twitter or follow rittenberg
but it seems Bielema took umbrage with Meyer’s recruiting style and called it illegal.
Then he called Urban and they “worked it out”
Im curious as to how they smoothed things over. “Bret, if i were to give you some money, out of my wallet, would that make things better?”
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Chinese finger trap.
First one to pull free wins.
Bielema dragged Urban all over Wisconsin until it broke.
MainLion - February 1, 2012
"Bret, feel free to grope my wife anytime."
WorldBFat - February 1, 2012
Oh he will
whether Urbz is ok with it or not
Kyle_Martin - February 1, 2012
What if I were to offer you a bratwurst?
What if I paid for the all you can eat buffet?
psfann - February 1, 2012
I don't really feel like whining too much
But I’d like to point out that the sanctions levied against Ohio State and the scholarship reductions will have the following results:
Hurts:
Jim Tressel (w/r/t coaching college football – might not hurt if he goes to NFL)
Pryor and DeVier Posey
Upperclassmen recruited under Jim Tressel (getting cut by Urban Meyer, missing bowl game)
Helps:
Urban Meyer (obviously)
2012-13 recruits (nominally less schollies, but the reduction comes out of upperclassmen and not the pool of potential commits)
Ohio State University (misses out on one year of postseason eligibility, gains new Head Coach and increased national buzz, “scholarship reduction” is a wash, as it creates more of a meritocracy for the limited spots than a true limit on how many new guys they can bring in)
I think the NCAA tried, but if you leave enormous loopholes lying around everywhere, then rules-based sanctions are going to be pretty flaccid. Oh well.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
true
just dont want to hear any more OSU fans tell me how hard the NCAA came down on them.
swiggy04 - February 1, 2012
Flaccid Yes
Cox No
The Booster - February 1, 2012
Urban admitted that if he was at another school, he would have used OSU's sanctions against them in recruiting.
That says a lot to me right there, and makes me glad we didn’t get him. And I was on board with him before December.
Cari Greene - February 1, 2012
Like I said
For all the family talk and integrity posturing he’s done of the past few years, there were points during the Memorial for Joe where people were talking about priorities and spending time with family and recruiting honorably where I looked at Urban and he was just scrolling his cellphone in the way that people do at meetings or whatever when they want it not to look obvious but it totally is. He’s really no different than the rest – I’ve heard a lot of quotes from him that indicate it might be, but actions speak louder than words. How many times has he practiced what he’s preached?
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Stop the clock
He honestly was doing this? Sorry, but that’s the sort of event where my phone isn’t silent, it’s OFF.
Class act.cs93 - February 1, 2012
It is my testimony
That he was.
My seat was sort of behind the stage almost…I couldn’t see the speakers (except their legs from a side view and I could see everyone when they exited the stage and walked down the stairs) but I could see the faces of everyone in the floor seats.
When I saw Urban come in with Fickell and Herbstreit, I thought it was a nice gesture, and that he’d surely relate with a lot of the stories given some of the things I’ve heard him say about integrity and wanting to be a good family man. The truth is, the dude is so consumed by his ongoing responsibilities as a coach that he can’t possibly “stop and smell the roses” so to speak, even at an event where everyone was talking about how fragrant and enjoyable the roses are to smell.
OctaShields - February 1, 2012
Just heard BOB talking on ES... ok... I'm embarrassed
But, anyway…. he said all the right things. “You don’t know how a recruiting class is for a couple of years. Are they going to class? Are they acting the right way…” This is what I wanted to hear. Sounds like the Penn State way.
LB31Monster - February 1, 2012
one guy from CDE!
Very nice. Way to represent, Harrisburg!
brother_rat - February 1, 2012
All things considered, I think the class turned out better than could reasonably be expected
Ohio State cheats, Wisconsin is shady-at-a-minimum, BHGP correctly regards the whole thing as creepy. Same as it ever was
ckmneon - February 1, 2012
BTW
Didn’t Schwan’s CD East tear Spence’s McDevitt a new one?
I like that the picture of Schwann is just him holding the trophy (BTW, i think the PIAA needs better trophies. Winning a state football title in PA is a huge deal. That thing looks like a little league participation award.)
reedjohnmiller - February 1, 2012
Let's donate that Land Grant monster
to them. Talk about an ugly POS . . .
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
NJ athlete who was turned down by Iowa
Does anyone know what’s happening with Tevin Shaw? He choose Iowa the other day, but they turned him away because they were full. He has PSU on his list, but still not signed anywhere.
PSU_Ovaltine68 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Grades issues.
Jeff Junstrom - February 1, 2012
Thanks... interesting
I saw a report he accepted a schollie with Kansas, but no updates.
PSU_Ovaltine68 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
He picked Kansas.
http://www.nj.com/hssports/blog/football/index.ssf/2012/02/tevin_shaw_of_piscataway_signs_to_play_for_on_national_signing_day.html
PSU_Lions_84 - February 1, 2012
and Yuri "The Tweet" Wright
Chose Colorado. The Buffs are pulling out all the stops.
The Booster - February 1, 2012
New thread...if you need it.
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2012/2/1/2765479/second-open-thread-for-nsd
THIS IS NOT MY JOB. ICERSGUY?!
OBrienSchofieldismyHero - February 1, 2012
Thanks!
Paige2PSU - February 1, 2012
If anyone is still here,
EVACUATE!!
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2012/2/1/2765479/second-open-thread-for-nsd
Paige2PSU - February 1, 2012
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