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Penn State Enters the Basketball Recruiting World

With Brandon Austin's commitment last night, Chambers has forced my hand at some recruiting coverage I was hoping to push out immediately after this season. Although most of us have already seen the waves Chambers has made in the recruiting realm, there was still skepticism until that first big time recruit actually made the call. Geno Thorpe had impressive offers but was still rated a fringe Top 100 player at best like Taran Buie. To be fair to Buie, he was ranked similarly to where Austin is now when he committed, but then he fell down the rankings. Judging by his offers, Brandon Austin appears to be that first true 4-star prospect who spurned the big boys of the Big East to come to PSU.

Chambers has landed 5 players since he was hired in June, and it seems each new one is bigger than the last. Momentum is so big on the recruiting trail, and there's no question PSU is gaining steam in PA right now, Philadelphia in particular. However, PSU can't hand out many more scholarship offers unless others open up. All of that will play out over the next year, but if I had to guess, I'd say PSU ends up with a four-man class in 2013.

If that indeed becomes the case, I'd expect those four guys to form PSU's first ever nationally ranked recruiting class. Why? As the Recruit Scoop hinted, there are more big names on the way, likely AAU teammates or friends of the current commitments from the Philly/NJ area. Austin said it himself to David Jones that DJ Newbill, Brandon Taylor, and Geno Thorpe all helped lure him to State College. All these players know who's who in Philly basketball (and nearby NJ). It also helps even more when some of them play for the same AAU program (Team Philly). All of these guys will have a great family vibe going before they even step on campus and will likely continue to spread the word about Penn State basketball all through the area.

Penn State is now a viable basketball option for any Philadelphia basketball player.

Star-divide

The buzz around this program right now grabs the attention of other big time recruits looking at Penn State. It also gives PSU great momentum to get started on the 2014 class this offseason. The big news has already left a favorable impression on 2014 SF Jahyde Gardiner, another Team Philly disciple.

There's no doubt the excitement around this program is reaching unchartered grounds, but it's important to put this in perspective. While these are new heights for Penn State in recruiting, this doesn't make much of a ripple in the Big Ten. For instance, this conference already has 5 of the current top 10 2013 recruiting classes, as ranked by Scout. Not all of those classes will stay there at the end of the day, but there are a lot of great recruiters in this conference. Five Top 25 2012 classes are coming in next year too (UM, MSU, Iowa, PU, and IU), while Illinois, OSU, and Wisconsin will never be short on talent. There's still plenty of work that needs to be done to reach comparable levels to their Big Ten brethren.

The good news is Chambers has us in a position to reach those levels. Next up for PSU in the immediate future is 2012 6'7" wing Sheldon Jeter from Pittsburgh. Jeter is a late-bloomer who was under-the-radar on the AAU circuit this past year but has really grown into a high-D1 prospect. Many have cited his improved defense to compliment his explosive offensive game as the reason he's receiving bigger interest. Wisconsin and South Carolina have offered him scholarships, while Pittsburgh has been on the verge of offering the last few weeks. Penn State sits in a great position for Jeter (Thorpe has been recruiting him, too), but the Pittsburgh offer could be the x-factor.

As far as 2013 prospects, PSU is still in the running for many of the top ones. Here's a list of former campus visitors from the past summer / fall.

Name Position Stars
Kris Jenkins WF 4*
Davon Reed SG 4*
Jaren Sina PG 4*
Kyle Washington PF 4*
Jordan Washington PF 4*
Schuyler Rimmer PF 3*
Jaron Hopkins CG 3*
Josh Hart SG 3*
Terrence Samuel CG 4*
Devin Williams PF 4*
Tony Farmer WF 4*

PSU is in better position for some of these guys than others. My personal favorite is Kris Jenkins, who seems to be a slightly taller (though still short) Jamelle Cornley with a lethal jump shot. He has been killing it for Gonzaga HS in DC (Keith Urgo's old school) and is quickly rising up the rankings. I haven't heard too much recently from the big men listed (other than Rimmer), but I know Williams is a long shot. Farmer has most of the Big Ten on him, but he is the HS teammate of Trey Lewis.

It all comes back to the Recruit Scoop's tease at the end of his article about Brandon Austin. Arguably the most connected recruitnik on the East Coast had this to say:

As the new Nittany Lions staff continues to restore the roar at Penn State, look for another big name to commit to the program in the coming months.

Kline, who lives in New Jersey, is well connected to Davon Reed and Jaren Sina. They both are playing in Kline's annual classic (that honors his mom who died of cancer, great story by the way).

While the season is in a bit of lull right now, the possibilities on the recruiting trail are very exciting. It's going to be a fun offseason. #doworkPat

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This just proves

The whole “urban kids don’t want to come to State College” argument is nonsense. And it always has been. I don’t even want to get started on why I’ve hated that argument, so…I won’t.

Get it after it Pat.

Yep.

And it also proves that it DeChellis was the problem and not up to the task.

I hate to say that because he seems to be a good guy. But I think I’m a good guy too and there are lots of tasks I’m not up to (including coaching D1 hoops).

Agreed.

Conference footprint is a huge hurdle for Penn State in terms of basketball recruiting, not the fact that State College is too rural.

State College is too Big East/ACC.

Mid-Atlantic basketball talent gravitates towards the teams right in their backyards, in the power conferences right in their backyards. If you’re a top notch basketball recruit, why would you risk playing for a Penn State team that is historically awful against teams that are half-way across the country, in a conference that hasn’t been winning championships like the ACC/Big East.

The same reason football players from MD and NoVA snub Big East/ACC teams for PSU is why top basketball talent snubs PSU for Big East/ACC teams.

I agree that he was not up to the task of elevating us up to the cream of the conference

but that may have not been why he was hired. A case could be made that he met or even possibly exceeded any expectations had for him upon his hire—he did, after all, leave the program much better than he found it. And if we hadn’t had DeChellis, we wouldn’t have Chambers now. I think DeChellis was good for the program at the time, but not anymore.

If Chambers gets, keeps and achieves excellence with Philly-area kids

It’s all the more reason we should have hired Fran Dunphy rather than DeChellis the first time.

was Dunphy an option back then?

Not being a jerk, I just don’t know.

Yes,

Dunphy interviewed for the job that DeChellis got. After the interview a reporter asked him how it went and his comment was (paraphrased), “It appears we are going in two different directions.”

My opinion, of course, was for them to go in Fran’s direction… c’est la vie.

dunphy

is the man, and is clearly one of the best philadelphia area coaches him against bo ryan is tough for me, always beats a really highly ranked team, penn was the dominate ivy league school when he was coaching, i dont think we grt pat chambers at all if we get dunphy and i really like the eunthusism, style of play, and the recruits currently verballed yes i know that kids can change schools multiple times

Ditto

Hated that argument with a passion, it was an empty rationale by the excuse-makers.

I made that argument many times, but I'm not an "excuse maker"

and I couldn’t be happier to know that it’s bunk.

People, like myself, who love basketball and love Penn State have been banging their heads against the wall for years to try to figure out why the hoops’ program was always a failure. To argue or believe that it was simply a matter of getting the righ head coach period seemed to simplistic.

I couldn’t be happier that Chambers appears to have been a perfect hire and looks poised to turn the program around. Hell, I love THIS team, even despite their lack of talent, because you can see the passion the play with, which is all from the head coach.

But I’m not going to apologize or think I’m stupid for making a number of shot-in-the-dark arguments about what was wrong with PSU hoops. I made those arguments because I was desperately searching for a reason and answer about the program’s perpetual mediocrity. It’s what fans do.

was always bunk

Parkhill got ‘urban’ kids to come here.

Really, I think the problem was that once we got somewhat good at recruiting urban kids from the east coast to play in the A10, we shifted to the B10, and none of those kids really wanted to play at Iowa and whatnot.

That's probably...

part of it. Also, you weren’t going to get really good players to play for Dunn(sp?) or Ed D. When you have a great program or coach with some pedigree, the recruits will come. Anyone think kids go to Kansas because Lawerence is a cool “Urban” town?

Yes,

because we never get football players from urban areas, either.

We don't get the urbane kids though.

actually we do, son of a bitch

The Break up the Big East/ACC is a huge part of this.

Whereas before PSU was the only school playing in the wrong region we are now seeing major powers Pitt and SU doing so along with West Virginia and BC. Suddenly the kids realize that exposure will happen any place you go and with a bunch of names no longer on the MSG marquee in March PSU has its shot.

I also wonder if kids are assuming football will take a big step back and that they get to be the big man on campus.

and, also, the Big Ten network

it used to be if you went to a Big Ten school, your games would most likely not be broadcast on the east coast. That is not the case anymore.

This is what PSU

has needed since, well….. forever.

Now the team just needs to get some more wins

to put butts in seats at the BJC, and we may have something here. It’s definitely possible, and I’m excited to watch what sort of program Chambers can build for us.

Can't blame this team for not winning in the Big Ten...

First, I agree that Penn State needs some more wins to generate interest on campus, but you can’t blame these kids for their record this year. This team is completely overmatched by the talent on the typical Big Ten roster. The fact that some of these games are close is incredible. Add in that this team has come up and beat tough opponents in Purdue and Illinois this season, and I have nothing but good things to say about the job Coach Chambers has done. Seriously, outside of Marshall and Frazier, there wasn’t a whole lot of proven talent on Big Ten rosters.

Sorry if my post came across as negative.

I absolutely agree with your entire post. I was surprised that we were able to pull within six of MSU with like 7 min left on Wednesday (before Draymond Green realized he was way more talented than Graham and Borovjnak).

I’m just thinking ahead to building a basketball program that the average PSU fan cares about. They’ve shown time and time again that they need to see a winning product before they’ll invest their time and energy into it, but boy will they show up when that happens. This season hurts, but should have us very optimistic about what could happen in the next 3-4 years.

i a bit nervious

how long do we think chambers stays at penn state? im hoping for a jay wright type of mentality where he becomes a prestigious coaching name and stays with penn state till he decides to retire

Then you can only ask that he leaves it in better condition than he found it.
In a few years, he'll be rumored to go elsewhere

And Penn State will step up and give him a pretty significant raise, a la Chris Petersen.

And in the words of Snoop from the Wire, we’ll all say, “so what man, you earnt that bump like a muh’fucka, man, keep that shit”(at 2:05)

He'll stay at PSU if the university and community support him

If he brings in a great team that contends for the B1G and regularly makes the tournament, but plays to a half-empty BJC and makes a salary below his market value, then he should leave.

Even if they don’t get blue-chip recruits, I’m in on PSU hoops. The team just plays with more passion than the DeChellis teams and most other teams in the country. It will be interesting to see how a (successful?) D1 hockey program affects the hoops program…

It's hard to not like a team that clearly works hard...

even if they don’t always win.

Inspired play will inspire others to come here. They might know that PSU isn’t the biggest name in basketball, but most athletes are egomaniacs, and knowing they might be able to put PSU on the map would be a nice challenge.

In the past it appeared that there were too many obstacles to actually achieve it, so all it takes is trying to show (whether true or not) that the main obstacle now is simply the talent on the floor.

BJC won't be empty if PSU wins regularly

Even for weeknight games…..when Parkhill had PSU hoops in the middle of the Big 10 championship race in the early 90s the arena was filled. If Chambers continues to recruit talent that translates into wins……filling the arena will take care of itself. Hopefully BOB is taking some notes from Chambers. BTW folks…..know this is diverging from the hoops post but did everyone see that PSU seven combine invites put it near the top of the NCAA. Despite all the grumbling re: star ratings the old staff obviously could pick talent. I hope the new staff (and I am not talking about LJ and Vandy) follows suit!

im with you

i have been going to most of the home games, and have been watching the away ones on tv, something is very different between how this team plays and under Ed’s old rule. i wish we could have had him coach last years team, and use those scholarships on his own players for his system….but i guess thats a tad selfish and i should be happy that the program is finally being bumped up to a whole nother level…assuming that these 17 year old kids stick to their commitments…getting Philadelphia and some other hot spot places, will also mean less talent flooded to the big east, and the B1G should be pretty much have the best conference in basketball year in and year out

Dumb question, but what position is "PA"?

I don’t want to go all “grinds my gears” on anyone, but I remember when there were only five positions on the basketball court: PG, SG, SF, PF and C.

Nice catch.

Obviously a typo. That said, I did add CG (combo guard) and WF (wing forward).

I honestly thought it was something along the lines of combo guard or wing forward

I wasn’t playing editor, I swear.

I see the value of being very specific for recruits

beyond the 5 “normal” position designations. Since different teams play in different styles, it’s more informative to know that a kid is a WF or PF or combo guard or pure shooting guard to know how they’ll fit in the system. But I don’t know how informative it is to know that we’re recruiting a new PA announcer

I agree

and now that I know that there is no new designation that I was unaware of, I’m on board.

I would have been an SCG (shitty combo guard). Too poor with the ball to be a true point guard and too inconsistent as a shooter to be true shooting guard.

Rec'd the SCG

Please also say you donned rec specs, knee high tube socks, and shouted lots of encouragement.

I had rec specs for half a season in 8th grade

Begged my parents for contacts and – mostly because I think my dad was embarrassed for me – was able to avoid the Kareem look for all of high school. It’s a shame, because aside from not being 7’3", balding and black, I had the rest of his scrawny look locked down.

I'm currently playing in a church league

and I most definitely fit the SCG. I’m not good enough with the ball to be a point guard and I’m streaking as hell shooting. I have an ok first step but it goes back to the “not being good enough with the ball” to constantly get my own shot either. So yeah, I’m a Shitty Combo Guard. My defense is top notch though.

Rec specs...

Met Jeremy Piven last year. Looks at me: “Get you some black glasses and athletic tape and you’re a dead ringer for Kurt Rambis.”

PAGING TAILGATE SHOGUN
If you're 6'0" and white

and can’t handle like Chris Paul, you’re a SPG. Even if you don’t play point guard.

Question about the "sit a year rule"

Does Newbill have to stay away from the team entirely? Or is he at practice every day with the rest of them?

He's at practice every day.

Doesn’t travel with the team on road trips, though.

Any reports on how he looks at practice?
Tall?
6'4" G
I should have used the sarcasm font, I was channeling Tommy Boy

“How do we look?”

“Chubby?”

Beast.

Second best player on the team. Starter from day 1 next year.

Well that's nice to hear

Who is set to run PG next year?

I'm sure Frazier will still run the point.
Wait, Frazier has another year?
Yeah he was a freshman in 2009!

Very first thing he did in a PSU uniform was drain a 3.

PSU Men's Basketball just made

me squeeze out a tear – - for good reasons!!

Kris Jenkins
Kris Jenkins

I went to Gonzaga and still follow/watch te basketball program. Jenkins is probably a better high school player than Nate Britt, arguably the best PG in the country who is going to UNC in 2 years. If he was a little taller, he’d be a top 10 recruit, no question. For anyone interested, we’re on espn2 tonight playing DeMatha. Been looking forward to this all season

Gonzaga

I used to hate Gonzaga kids when I’d go to Bethany Beach in the summers. Cocky, smarmy assholes in purple and they ALL fucking played lacrosse on the beach.

Sorry, nothing personal, just had a recurrence of high school angst. I’m sure there are normal kids from there.

Know exactly what you're talking about

But I wasn’t one of those kids haha. Never even played lacrosse in my life

Did Evan Royster go to Gonzaga?

I heard he loved lacrosse.

Royster was an Under Armor All-American in Lacrosse

He held offers from Virginia, Maryland, Johns Hopkins and others to play Division 1 lacrosse. He was one of the 50 lacrosse players coming out of high school that year and was a 3* football recruit. Go figure.

Trust me, I know.

Just making a joke about how it was a talking point for the announcers in every single PSU game he played in.

Like how now with the bball team, hey did you know that Nick Colella was a former D-III player who was on the women’s practice squad?

He went to Westfields in Chantilly.

A couple of young guys on my baseball team went to school with him. One of them was in the weight room when Joe showed up to offer him a schollie.

We had lots of...

Gonzaga kids at Nova. They are exactly as you describe them.

There are few better colleges

for kids like that than Nova. No offense.

I did not know.

Thanks. I didn’t realize that game was tonight. Should be a good one.

I know basketball is different but

Are we now going into the time at PSU where they play for a year then leave school? This will be something new and I am not sure if I am going to like it or not. Yes putting a team out there to win is great and all but I always liked being top with graduation rate.

Eh, still got a ways to go for that to happen.

We’re not at 5-star Top25 talent yet.

That said, Austin’s size alone gives him a chance to be an NBA PG.

Yeah, there's a huge difference

between top 5-10 prospect (the kind that can be one and done) and top 100. Top 100 means guys that might be able to contribute as freshmen, and if they’re really good they might leave after 3 years. Only a few guys a year leave after 1, and they’re usually the type that could have made the jump straight to the pros before the new rules were in place.

I can only hope we get to that point

becasue that means you are bringing in elite talent. While these classes are a Step UP, we still have a ways to go before guys should be leaving after 3 years let alone one.

Why did it take almost 20 years to get to this? This should have happened back in teh mid-90's when we made the switch from the A10.
Pat Chambers is da man!

He is really doing an awesome job.

any chance

of a basketball JR. day in the future for the program, or is basketball a different scenario because so many kids probably play other sports or play in so many leagues that they can never all come at the same time?

There's no junior day-type event in basketball.

But Brandon Austin and Geno Thorpe will be at the game tomorrow.

great news

hopefully the team gives even more of a effort if thats even possible kinda hoping that davon reed somehow makes it with them, i know u didn’t mention him, but i think i read somewhere that they all keep in touch and are friends…i know fivestarbasketball.com has a interview with him he didn’t mention penn state!!!!! http://fivestarbasketball.com/commitment-corner/02-10-2012-davon-reed-recruiting-list he also has lists from basically every ivy league school

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